Coronavirus outbreak

[Mo1959]

Jump up in deaths today. Wonder if it’s the result from all the previous weekend’s jollies in parks, etc.

 

[carlosfandangus]

Because put simply they can’t use common sense, they have been asked and they refuse to.

You get these dumbass lawyers saying it can’t be enforced so for the retard brigade it will green light them to do as they please.

My wife is frontline nurse putting her health at risk every shift so my tolerance for these imbeciles is at a fat zero.

A large section of the public are showing their true colours at the moment and to be blunt it’s f%*$ing disgusting.

It is common sense, however lots of people are lacking/do not want to, I went out today to get some shopping, I came back and spent an hour on the turbo, I do have to take the dogs out later, however that is on my doorstep and will be for 20 mins max, tomorrow I "may" go out on the bike early doors, however I limit my exposure to protect my family

 

[kingrollo]

I wish the government would give us timescales - because "Its on order" is wearing a bit thin....

Doctors are still crying out for protective masks etc - "Weve ordered 3m"

We haven't got enough ventilators - "Weve ordered 10,000"

We haven't got enough test kits - "Weve ordered 650,000"

The fact that people we are ordering them from haven't got any - is quietly tucked away

A depressing read of the news shows that the public are fooled - Johnson and the tories have never been so popular.

 

[kingrollo]

Jump up in deaths today. Wonder if it’s the result from all the previous weekend’s jollies in parks, etc.

Following the increase at more or less the same rate as Italy - I don't really think anyone should be surprised at todays figures - itlaly has been approx 700 or 800 a day for what seems like a couple of weeks now. I pray to god that I am wrong - but those are the figures we will be looking at shortly.

 

[mjr]

Because put simply they can’t use common sense, they have been asked and they refuse to.

Have they? Where are the numbers? And did you read that earlier article pointing out that we're being asked, yet again, to criticise our neighbours rather than the leaders for the failures?

You get these dumbass lawyers saying it can’t be enforced so for the retard brigade it will green light them to do as they please.

The retard brigade will do what they do anyway. They're not reading lawyer blogs or the endlessly-scrolling live feeds. The lawyers are just pointing out that the government have sent the police out there with one hand tied behind their backs in a fog of confusing advice and are spewing more fog instead of attempting to fix it.

My wife is frontline nurse putting her health at risk every shift so my tolerance for these imbeciles is at a fat zero.

I can't claim exactly that, but I do have relatives on the front lines in this (two NHS, one healthcare manufacturing OTTOMH), so I hope you're not trying to imply that I don't care about them.

My tolerance for the imbeciles is also a fat zero, but I disagree about who the imbeciles are!

 

[Johnno260]

Jump up in deaths today. Wonder if it’s the result from all the previous weekend’s jollies in parks, etc.

And the morons packing the pubs

It is common sense, however lots of people are lacking/do not want to, I went out today to get some shopping, I came back and spent an hour on the turbo, I do have to take the dogs out later, however that is on my doorstep and will be for 20 mins max, tomorrow I "may" go out on the bike early doors, however I limit my exposure to protect my family

If I cycle I go out when it’s light, and I keep it slow and steady, I’m not risking injury during this time.

Food we lucked out and snagged an Asda delivery slot and stocked up (1 weeks worth)

Like you said people aren’t interested in doing the right thing, but doing as they please.
I have seen too much disgusting behaviour though to be sympathetic to many of these people who just want to do as they please.

 

[Johnno260]

@mjr sorry if you think any other political party or person could do better you’re wrong in my opinion, the Labour Party couldn’t even put together a coherent manifesto.

but if you think it’s time for political sniping go ahead as that’s obviously the route cause of all our issues.

sorry if I come across as aggressive, but like I said I have seen too much human trash this past week to have much sympathy.

 

[mjr]

We haven't got enough ventilators - "Weve ordered 10,000" [...] The fact that people we are ordering them from haven't got any - is quietly tucked away

They simply don't run that scale of stock. That's the way of things now. If they did, Johnson and financial pals would have pilloried them for inefficiencies. But we are where we are and ordering them is the right move because then we'll get them once they are made.

Factories are running full tilt, but there are at least three problematic consequences of the lockdown and distancing:
1. most factories cannot expand capacity, because amongst other things building sites have shut down and some factories simply can't have the machines installed or retooled while obeying the 2m distance between workers, so once you're running current production lines 24x7 then often that's the most you can do;
2. some suppliers have shut down because they didn't realise their products contribute to things that go into medical equipment - switching suppliers is possible, but takes more time and adds some risk;
3. border controls and reduced shipping are slowing down movements of subassemblies between manufacturers.

I doubt many firms have ever considered the impact of such a combination of effects on their delivery times, so once things from many suppliers are combined into complicated medical equipment, I'd view any delivery date estimates as having a very large margin of error!

 

[kingrollo]

@mjr sorry if you think any other political party or person could do better you’re wrong in my opinion, the Labour Party couldn’t even put together a coherent manifesto.

but if you think it’s time for political sniping go ahead as that’s obviously the route cause of all our issues.

sorry if I come across as aggressive, but like I said I have seen too much human trash this past week to have much sympathy.

I never quite understand this argument. Sure it's time to rally round and help one another.
However when the govt - observed what happened in Italy , and ignored the testing advice from WHO - they should be held accountable IMO.
Quite why the lockdown was so late in the day is beyond me.

 

[kingrollo]

They simply don't run that scale of stock. That's the way of things now. If they did, Johnson and financial pals would have pilloried them for inefficiencies. But we are where we are and ordering them is the right move because then we'll get them once they are made.

Factories are running full tilt, but there are at least three problematic consequences of the lockdown and distancing:
1. most factories cannot expand capacity, because amongst other things building sites have shut down and some factories simply can't have the machines installed or retooled while obeying the 2m distance between workers, so once you're running current production lines 24x7 then often that's the most you can do;
2. some suppliers have shut down because they didn't realise their products contribute to things that go into medical equipment - switching suppliers is possible, but takes more time and adds some risk;
3. border controls and reduced shipping are slowing down movements of subassemblies between manufacturers.

I doubt many firms have ever considered the impact of such a combination of effects on their delivery times, so once things from many suppliers are combined into complicated medical equipment, I'd view any delivery date estimates as having a very large margin of error!

Agreed. My point was that I am not get to comfortable knowing that we have 10,000 ventilators on order - they could be months away.

 

[mjr]

It interesting that the ONS have decided to include the particular new numbers they have, to artificially bolster the rate figures.

That's not why they decided to include them. They were made aware of valid criticism that they weren't including all the relevant deaths, so they acted to improve accuracy. Maybe it was "a spectacular own goal" but it was at least in line with their ethics.

The ‘mantra’ for justifying the degree of controls / lockdown is “Stay at home” ( they’re dead, it’s irrelevant, as dead people can’t spread the virus ) “Protect the NHS” ( people who’ve died outside of hospital won’t require hospital beds / ventilators / ITU so aren’t going to be a drain on NHS resources are they?) “save lives” ( They’re already dead, they can’t help you with that Boris).

You seem to be confused. The job of the Office for National Statistics is to report the data as accurately as possible, not to support the government (or undermine it, for that matter). Think of ONS as like a measurement partner to the National Audit Office.

There used to be a department that did something closer to publishing evidence in support of government policy, somewhere in the Cabinet Office or Number 10, but I've lost track of what its name is now.

changing the recording period from 8 hrs to 24 hrs

That wasn't what happened, was it? The reporting time was moved 8h to improve timeliness for the daily sermon by ministers - debatable but justifiable because it's in no-one's interests to be talking about stale data.

 

[Johnno260]

I never quite understand this argument. Sure it's time to rally round and help one another.
However when the govt - observed what happened in Italy , and ignored the testing advice from WHO - they should be held accountable IMO.
Quite why the lockdown was so late in the day is beyond me.

if we locked down sooner maybe they realised there would be even more resistance?

Also on the government point, bear in mind it’s a government almost exclusively elected on getting Brexit done and on virtually no other point.

 

[mjr]

I never quite understand this argument. Sure it's time to rally round and help one another.
However when the govt - observed what happened in Italy , and ignored the testing advice from WHO - they should be held accountable IMO.
Quite why the lockdown was so late in the day is beyond me.

Or why the lockdown was introduced in such a way that the "morons" predictably rushed out and binged before each step of it, preannouncing measures with them not taking legal effect for a day or two. Were they using the morons as cannon-fodder for early virus infection and to hell with the healthcare workers?

I don't know who would have done any better. No politician has really stepped forwards in holding the government to much account yet (definitely not Corbyn - Sturgeon may be the closest but she's not an alternative UK PM for obvious reasons) but that may be because of the blind jingoism that seems to have paralysed the media and much discussion. But I do know that this has been pretty dire.

 

[Dave Davenport]

Anyone else noticed an increase in fly tipping? I'm pretty sure I missed catching someone by minutes this morning, white van and driver on small lane that just for some reason made me suspicious straight away, he pulled over just after I'd passed him then carried on when he saw I'd stopped and was looking back at him, carry on round the next bend and there's crap (mostly packing type stuff) all over the road and blowing into the hedges.

 

[DaveReading]

if we locked down sooner maybe they realised there would be even more resistance?

Yes, selling the lockdown to the country last Monday was helped by the massive media coverage of all those idiots at the seaside and up mountains the previous weekend.