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Rezillo

TwoSheds
Location
Suffolk

Mike_P

Guru
Location
Harrogate
Press speculation now backed by photos of work being undertaken to turn Harrogate Conference (or Convention as it now likes to be called) Centre into a NHS hospital.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
The syndromic surveillance reports are updated weekly:

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/syndromic-surveillance-systems-and-analyses

One category to keep an eye on for general trends is this one:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-syndromic-surveillance-weekly-bulletins-2020

For the 26 March one, there's a dramatic rise in calls for breathing problems and for chest pains. These indicators are guides only; they will be influenced by public concern as well as real conditions.

One other thing to remember is what they call about and what the crew find once arrived can be very different.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Press speculation now backed by photos of work being undertaken to turn Harrogate Conference (or Convention as it now likes to be called) Centre into a NHS hospital.
What's the capacity? About 5'000? I wonder why they went for that one rather than the Leeds Arena - did they want to be closer to York, where IIRC the biggest venue is the Barbican which is only 2'000 capacity? Or is it sentimentalism about Harrogate as a health cure town?
 
Oh what a surprise. The news starts to look positive ( indeed starts to indicate that the infection rate was beginning to drop before the lockdown, thus rendering the lockdown measures OTT ) and what happens? The government decide to change the way the numbers are counted ( as of today ) which makes it look worse again. They’ve just proved a point ( they’re playing the ‘treat ‘em mean, keep ‘em keen’ game ) and simultaneously lost any credibility they had left. Well, I hope a lot more people see what they’re doing.
 

Milzy

Guru
They've closed some county borders. An over run hospital sees the mortality rates rise from 2% to 10%. It's going to get worse before it gets better. This is no time for political Snipes.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Oh what a surprise. The news starts to look positive ( indeed starts to indicate that the infection rate was beginning to drop before the lockdown, thus rendering the lockdown measures OTT ) and what happens? The government decide to change the way the numbers are counted ( as of today ) which makes it look worse again. They’ve just proved a point ( they’re playing the ‘treat ‘em mean, keep ‘em keen’ game ) and simultaneously lost any credibility they had left. Well, I hope a lot more people see what they’re doing.

It's hard to sensibly respond to this and stay within moderation guidelines.

So let's just ask the question:

Once it was realised that deaths are being ascribed to COVID outside the hospital system, what was the right thing to do?
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Leeds Arena is just that an arena. it's much more preferable to have a conference centre that is basically a big indoor box.
With lighting , heating, running water ect all in place. The multiple halls they have also lends it's self to being highly flexible place.
That can quickly be converted and be up and running in days.
Caring for anyone with even simple conditions is bad enough in nothing more than a tent.
Having ran short term stay bedded medical centres at large events it's even worse.
But mass critical care in one will be nightmare. If we are to have extra care space we should be providing the best we can. Not only for ones in need but for the ones who are providing it.

Other's inc York may well be needed at some point.
The plans for such extra hospital space will have been in place for years and will be following a pre set plan for roll out.
Other factors will equally be at play such as over all bed space in the area and availability of other services.
Harrogate has plenty of accommodation close by which is well use to large conference numbers.
 
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newfhouse

Resolutely on topic
Oh what a surprise. The news starts to look positive ( indeed starts to indicate that the infection rate was beginning to drop before the lockdown, thus rendering the lockdown measures OTT ) and what happens? The government decide to change the way the numbers are counted ( as of today ) which makes it look worse again. They’ve just proved a point ( they’re playing the ‘treat ‘em mean, keep ‘em keen’ game ) and simultaneously lost any credibility they had left. Well, I hope a lot more people see what they’re doing.
Thanks for keeping us in the loop, Truth Warrior.
 

Buck

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
What's the capacity? About 5'000? I wonder why they went for that one rather than the Leeds Arena - did they want to be closer to York, where IIRC the biggest venue is the Barbican which is only 2'000 capacity? Or is it sentimentalism about Harrogate as a health cure town?
Leeds Arena doesnt have a big floor space in comparison as the seating is all tiered whereas Harrogate is a flat space.
 
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