Coronavirus outbreak

[Cuchilo]

I noticed a lot flight's over Europe, so googled why, I didn't find any reference to Coronavirus, but I found out that airlines often fly ghost planes to keep their take off and landing windows which they have payed for, and would loose if not used, I don't know if it is still going on during this crisis but it needs stopping at any time, common sense needs to prevail over money.

I live near Heathrow and just had a plane go over . I see about four or five a day . Last week it was all other airlines but now just BA

 

[vickster]

I live near Heathrow and just had a plane go over . I see about four or five a day . Last week it was all other airlines but now just BA

BA are still flying within the UK, to some places in Asia, US and Europe incl Ireland when I looked yesterday

 

[Edwardoka]

I noticed a lot flight's over Europe, so googled why, I didn't find any reference to Coronavirus, but I found out that airlines often fly ghost planes to keep their take off and landing windows which they have payed for, and would loose if not used, I don't know if it is still going on during this crisis but it needs stopping at any time, common sense needs to prevail over money.

The EU suspended the ghost flight rules a few weeks ago. My guess would be that they are mostly cargo flights, with some repatriation flights, and probably a few "business as usual" flights. Quite why there are still flights to and from Milan Malpensa is beyond me.

Flightradar is quite grimly fascinating now that there's fewer flights.

 

[Johnno260]

dear god

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...and-saunas-will-ward-off-coronavirus-11965396

Yea just seen this, hopefully citizens have more sense.
I keep seeing younger and younger people claimed by this, that’s a sinister turn considering we have been told children seem resilient.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Yea just seen this, hopefully citizens have more sense.
I keep seeing younger and younger people claimed by this, that’s a sinister turn considering we have been told children seem resilient.

They are still susceptible and still die. Just smaller percentages. But with the “apparent” news they are immune I think many are taking less precautions. So more of them are getting infected. So a smaller percentage but much larger number of infections will lead to the number of deaths in the under 30s increasing towards that of the over 60s.

Plus bad western diets and more sedentary life styles mean they are biologically older than their chronological age.

 

[ozboz]

I live near Heathrow and just had a plane go over . I see about four or five a day . Last week it was all other airlines but now just BA

I live under the landing flight path of Heathrow , Richmond , a very noticeable drop off of aircraft noise .,

 

[Johnno260]

They are still susceptible and still die. Just smaller percentages. But with the “apparent” news they are immune I think many are taking less precautions. So more of them are getting infected. So a smaller percentage but much larger number of infections will lead to the number of deaths in the under 30s increasing towards that of the over 60s.

Plus bad western diets and more sedentary life styles mean they are biologically older than their chronological age.

I think it being reported that kids are more resilient hasn't helped.
With older people 18+, I would like to see if deaths and healthy people means they're non smokers as well

 

[DaveReading]

I live near Heathrow and just had a plane go over . I see about four or five a day . Last week it was all other airlines but now just BA

You may only have noticed BA, but there are over 50 airlines still operating flights into Heathrow.

 

[Wobblers]

The 'Dear Patient' letter indicates all clinics have been cancelled.

I accept it's a reasonable measure to reduce the risk of the consultants and their staff being forced off work by the virus.

I am underwhelmed by the prospect of the telephone substitute, but it's unlikely to be the difference between life and death in my case.

Moral of the story: don't get ill.

It's probably also a measure intended to protect their patients. Hospitals are increasingly becoming somewhere that CV-19 patients are concentrated so maintaining normal outpatient services would likely increase the chances of the patients catching it. Add to this the typically crowded waiting hospital rooms - just the perfect environment to spread the illness and it seems sensible to reduce that if possible.

Whatever happens, I hope things work out okay for you.

 

[Wobblers]

In the context of bloody cvid19 it is, the jab doesn't stop the flu, there are still 000000's of deaths and a lock down would stop a vast majority of them but the don't lock down do they.

In the UK, a bad flu season kills around 300 people with viral pneumonia. C-19 so far has killed over 1200 (as of 28th March). This number is doubling every 3 days. The excess mortality data that the CDC uses to estimate flu deaths is controversial within epidemiological circles because less than 5% of the deaths it counts can be directly attributed to flu. In other words, it overestimates the impact of flu. Italy has already seen more deaths than even the excess mortality figures - and the epidemic there still shows little signs of stopping! How much more evidence do you need?

 

[Pale Rider]

It's probably also a measure intended to protect their patients. Hospitals are increasingly becoming somewhere that CV-19 patients are concentrated so maintaining normal outpatient services would likely increase the chances of the patients catching it. Add to this the typically crowded waiting hospital rooms - just the perfect environment to spread the illness and it seems sensible to reduce that if possible.

Whatever happens, I hope things work out okay for you.

Thanks.

The number of stand alone chairs in the clinic waiting room has been reduced to give extra distance between them.

There's always been a sink and gel in the one I use, presumably to reduce the impact of hospital 'super bugs'.

Using the sink is now being more actively encouraged.

There may be other patient protection measures I've not noticed.

How much more evidence do you need?

Quite.

Seems to me broad agreement is emerging about some aspects of this virus outbreak.

One is that it cannot usefully be compared with flu.

Another is that lockdown/social distancing does have some impact in controlling its spread.

 

[oldfatfool]

In the UK, a bad flu season kills around 300 people with viral pneumonia. C-19 so far has killed over 1200 (as of 28th March). This number is doubling every 3 days. The excess mortality data that the CDC uses to estimate flu deaths is controversial within epidemiological circles because less than 5% of the deaths it counts can be directly attributed to flu. In other words, it overestimates the impact of flu. Italy has already seen more deaths than even the excess mortality figures - and the epidemic there still shows little signs of stopping! How much more evidence do you need?

If you are correct then I accept your point. Having not moved from my home for over a week then Google as been my point of reference and the figures that come up for flu are horrendous, and whilst I know covid 19 isn't the flu but is the same as sars mers bird flu etc I had difficulty comprehending why so many deaths per year from flu could be accepted without locking the world down (cdc suggest 290000 minimum) when surely the same sort of social distancing rules would lead. To many fewer deaths from flu.

 

[mjr]

News from Switzerland: airplane of masks expected into Geneva next week, worries about Italy, a face off between national and canton governments about enforcing business closures, note that the German firms Adidas, H&M and Deichman have stopped paying their rents in closed stores in line with German government policy but to public annoyance of government politicians, cancellation of Wimbledon and the balloon d'Or ceremony.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

People just want to help their neighbours


View: https://twitter.com/meladoodle/status/1244477865363529729

 

[mjr]

Does anyone here know why shoot video conference app Zoom is being used so much? After bugs allowing webcam hijacks and design flaw enabling porny "zoombombing", it now appears they were sending data to facebook clandestinely! They pled incompetence with the Software Development Kit, which isn't reassuring: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...book-even-if-you-dont-have-a-facebook-account

If any of you lovely people are using it, consider switching to better things like talky, jitsi or even straight video calls.