deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
Good noisy NHS applause outside here this evening. Silly buggers couldn't wait till 8pm though and it's now already quiet again.
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The scale didn't become clear until later than that. We vaguely knew that something bad was going down in an obscure part of China and it was apparently very bad, but hey they have weird animal diseases all the time and little ever seems to come of it.
It hadn't travelled far and containment measures seemed to be working.
Once it became clear to epidemiologists that it had reached Italy and containment had failed, we had an opportunity to get ahead of the curve. We do not have a porous border like mainland Europe does.
Had we acted decisively then we'd have a few hundred cases, with little local transmission and an ability to contain it without having to shutter the entire country.
Instead we let it spread unobserved for weeks. We have literally no idea how many people are infected. My friend has all the symptoms, he reckons he caught it in a fast food restaurant in Glasgow city centre - a place that was, before the shutdown, visited by thousands of people a day.
Edit: curses, ninja'd by @nickyboy
I swear I didn't know your post existed until after I finished and posted mine.
marshmella
Guru
- Location
- Telford, Shropshire
Good applause here..started a little early aswell
I've just been watching a couple of German girls taking apart conspiracy theories and fake news/misinformation. Extremely well done.
One example which I hadn't seen was an interview with an Italian doctor stating quite clearly that they hadn't had any deaths and that there was no virus. Turns out what he said was true - except the interview was in mid February. That was the case back then, but in a new interview he talked of the unfolding disaster happening in northern Italy at the moment. It was instructive that the far-right AfD are taken in by such claims as believing this to be some government 'plan'.
It's easy with hindsight to wish more could have been done earlier, but generally the reaction has been pretty good and lessons learned as things have become clearer. The main exceptions are the UK and the US, but in the US it is worse as their healthcare system doesn't cover the whole population like the UK one does.
One example which I hadn't seen was an interview with an Italian doctor stating quite clearly that they hadn't had any deaths and that there was no virus. Turns out what he said was true - except the interview was in mid February. That was the case back then, but in a new interview he talked of the unfolding disaster happening in northern Italy at the moment. It was instructive that the far-right AfD are taken in by such claims as believing this to be some government 'plan'.
It's easy with hindsight to wish more could have been done earlier, but generally the reaction has been pretty good and lessons learned as things have become clearer. The main exceptions are the UK and the US, but in the US it is worse as their healthcare system doesn't cover the whole population like the UK one does.
stowie
Legendary Member
I know in this world of everyone being able to have an opinion my following statement is frowned upon, but people are taken in by claims because they are morons, or are so desperate for confirmation of their pre-existing prejudices that anything reinforcing them is leapt upon like a terrier on a lamb chop.
It only takes a moment of consideration. There is video of people ill in hospital, of doctors describing the situation, reporters on the ground and citizens posting pictures online. For this government plan to work, it needs all these people to be "in on it". A deception of truly gargantuan proportions. And involving no-one who decides to blow the whole scheme. Frankly these people must have a far higher opinion of the efficiency of governments than me if they believe them capable of this level of organisation.
The US has the resources and physical medical infrastructure to manage the problem. They need to socialise the availability of these resources to combat this extraordinary medical emergency. Unfortunately they chose a president and administration that are a bunch of loons.
But, unsurprisingly, loads are jumping on the bandwagon. I don't do FB but plenty of our staff have jumped in. One whine I was shown yesterday claiming disgusting behaviour towards her by two male visitors for not wearing a mask, it got a ton of sympathetic responses and has caused a right stir in our hospital. Knowing the woman, the area that is was claimed to have taken place in and the prose she used, I am 90%+ certain is was all made up and I would hope that the outcry doesn't result in a demand for the CCTV footage. (No visitors have been in for 3 days).
The UK government's reaction has been very sluggish but it's finally starting to get into motion, weeks after it needed to.
The US, however, I don't think they have any concept of how utterly screwed they are.
Just looking at flightradar, you'd think it was business as usual.
So many people there are a hospital visit away from bankruptcy and total destitution.
Many are treating it like it's a joke or no big deal or a sign that Jeebus is coming to save them, or a liberal media hoax to discredit their saviour the Holy Cheeto.
I hate being a worst-case kind of guy but the US's current trajectory looks truly, truly dire.
If I were Mexico I'd be offering to pay for the wall.
Tanis8472
Guru
I've read Aldi are too. Well deserved
We get an extra 5% off our usual 10% at tesco. i do t bloody shop there so not getting anything.
still working serving local businesses even though i dont want to be tgere like most.
It's sounds so simple and practical thing to have in place. which means it's behold a government to think of it sadly.
Though I'm sure that I've seen in a program about the old QE2 that any cruise ship registered in Uk.
Has to have built into the plans the ability to be converted to a troop ship. As what happen in the Falklands war.
So with a bit of planing anything is possible
The other thing about any stockpile is now nothing is a secret so having some old hanger full of stuff.
Any Government would have either some reporter milking it or an MP using it to bash the other side.
Then having every one and the cat on SM going on about the cost. Everyone has something to bad to say when we go it.
Now we need it everyone has a go saying why did we not have loads of X,Y,Z
It is, they have been knocked from pillar to post for weeks.I've read Aldi are too. Well deserved
Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
Sorry Tanis, I don't know what you mean.
Most of the drink driving in North Yorkshire is in and around Harrogate mostly the ladies that lunch.
i'm happy for them to do what ever it takes to get he message out.
Most of the cars when regs checked came from miles away not locals.
Yesterday they had to deal with a large group near the Snake Pass enjoying a picnic and shisha. They'd come from Manchester, Sheffield and Ipswich. We can afford this level of I don't give a ....
