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deptfordmarmoset

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Yes - yesterdays 40 did seem a bit odd - I wonder if some didn't get counted on time on Wednesday - Either way I think we all know the death toll will get higher before it starts to fall.

Anyone got todays stats from Italy ?
  • 6203 new cases and 712 new deaths in Italy. Worldometer has contacted Piedmont officials directly and received confirmation that the number of deaths in the region is 499, 50 more than reported in the Protezione Civile's bulletin today, We have checked the totals by region and can confirm that the total number of deaths in Italy as of today is 8,215 rather than 8,165 incorrectly reported by Protezione Civile. Accordingly, the total number of cases changes from 80,539 to 80,589. [source]
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Yes - yesterdays 40 did seem a bit odd - I wonder if some didn't get counted on time on Wednesday - Either way I think we all know the death toll will get higher before it starts to fall.

Anyone got todays stats from Italy ?

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A few regions appear on the last 5-6 days of data to be levelling off/maybe on the way down (we can see this now, couldn't really say it 5-6 days ago).

The headline figure mostly fluctuates on a day to day basis based on two regions where it does vary quite a lot.

This figure has been creeping a bit south in the last two days since it was posted though

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Its sort of sobering how quickly it becomes the norm - I remember when italy hit 100 deaths in day - everyone was like WTF !!!!! - now the uk has 115 - its not even the leading news story

Going to be a grim few weeks !
 

Buck

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
If dyson or any company can both come up with the engineering , manufacturing skills to make them.
They prove to work and are effective That's got to be the focus no health care system has a massive stock pile of ventilators laying about it's just not practical. We may well in normal day to day health care not have enough but equally most people in hospital don't need one.
We have to be thankful that we still have high quality engineering left here in the Uk let's face it no government for decades has really bothered much about it.

For me, I would ike it if the government puts a plan in place with companies to enable key equipment to be manufactured at short notice in future, whether that be ventilators, decontamination units etc. It's unrealistic for us to have these in stock "just ion case" as the servicing and maintenance would be prohibitive and they could become unsafe or out of date relatively quickly so an ability to switch manufacturing at speed would be welcome.
 
For me, I would ike it if the government puts a plan in place with companies to enable key equipment to be manufactured at short notice in future, whether that be ventilators, decontamination units etc. It's unrealistic for us to have these in stock "just ion case" as the servicing and maintenance would be prohibitive and they could become unsafe or out of date relatively quickly so an ability to switch manufacturing at speed would be welcome.

Agree - and I don't pretend to be in possession of the full facts - but wasn't it obvious mid Jan that this was going to be as bad as it is now getting ? - Had we acted then, would we be more prepared now ?
 

Buck

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Think of the shop/store workers the next time you're in their place of work! They may not be at the front of the 'frontline' like doctors and nurses,but they are still in serious danger of contracting this virus! I spoke to the former Mrs Accy today. She works at the Blackburn Asda store on the customer service desk. She gets her share of nasty disgusting types at the best of times(some twatty customer nicked her bottle of hand-gel off her desk the other day),so obviously their numbers have risen due to this virus. She's been coughed on,man handled,swore at etc. She told me the place has been packed out,due to supermarkets being the only places open. She said they have security on the door,letting 10 in when 10 leave. No doubt the supermarkets profits have risen greatly during this pandemic. Will they share some of this profit with their shop floor workers? No fecking chance,i bet!!

They may not show increased profits as many items will have been low margin and the costs they are incurring to recover stock levels may actually dent profits. Remember that with over a £billion of extra groceries in stock in people's houses this will not be additional spend but will show later when people are not shopping either through isolation or because they just need to eat it/use it !

Not sure about Asda but Tesco and Sainsbury's are giving everyone a 10% bonus this month as a thank you.
 

vickster

Legendary Member
They may not show increased profits as many items will have been low margin and the costs they are incurring to recover stock levels may actually dent profits. Remember that with over a £billion of extra groceries in stock in people's houses this will not be additional spend but will show later when people are not shopping either through isolation or because they just need to eat it/use it !

Not sure about Asda but Tesco and Sainsbury's are giving everyone a 10% bonus this month as a thank you.
Asda are paying an extra weeks wages in June I believe

From an email received from CEO,
There will be an extra week’s pay in June to our colleagues in recognition of their extra efforts to protect the health of their colleagues who needed to step away during this time
 

pawl

Legendary Member

He probably will in front of his mirror with a vide camera.Then we can all see what an empathetic guy he is.
 

Buck

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Agree - and I don't pretend to be in possession of the full facts - but wasn't it obvious mid Jan that this was going to be as bad as it is now getting ? - Had we acted then, would we be more prepared now ?


Don't disagree. Sometimes we do appear to sit and wait for things to be OK whereas swift action can often win the day.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Agree - and I don't pretend to be in possession of the full facts - but wasn't it obvious mid Jan that this was going to be as bad as it is now getting ? - Had we acted then, would we be more prepared now ?

Sadly many western governments had too much faith in being able to get in stuff for making PCR test kits. Too much faith in able to ramp up tests. It's just made life terribly difficult for them and in Spain and USA a large number of fatalities directly as a result.

Here is hoping they are organised for the wave in the winter on that front. Or the old antibody test kit conundrum.
 

PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
Agree - and I don't pretend to be in possession of the full facts - but wasn't it obvious mid Jan that this was going to be as bad as it is now getting ? - Had we acted then, would we be more prepared now ?

I don't think it was, we went to cuba for 2 weeks mid Feb and there was no sense of impending doom then.

The InstaBuild new hospital was end of January into February.
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
Agree - and I don't pretend to be in possession of the full facts - but wasn't it obvious mid Jan that this was going to be as bad as it is now getting ? - Had we acted then, would we be more prepared now ?
There was a feeling in January that CV-19 could be contained in China and surrounding areas in the same way that SARS was. It would then fizzle out and never arrive in the West other than an odd case. If you remember there were a couple of odd cases (York and Brighton?) but they never took hold with good contact tracing

What blindsided everyone was what happened in Norther Italy. They took their eye off the ball and, by the time they realised they had a problem, it was out of control. This was a disaster as there is huge traffic between Lombardy and other areas of Europe both for business and (at this time of the year), skiing holidays. By the time everyone knew what was going on there were lots of infected people in other European countries that had visited Lombardy. Then every country was playing catch up.

USA is different, it's like Italy. Direct infection from China and nobody knew what was going on until it was too late

For sure if we had acted in January we would have been better prepared but everyone (and that's governments, experts, financial markets...everyone) expected it to be contained in Asia and fizzle out
 
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