Coronavirus outbreak

[Joey Shabadoo]

Iran's Supreme Leader has rejected America's offer of aid to help the country with its battle against coronavirus. In a televised speech, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said the US was Iran's "most evil enemy" and hinted at a conspiracy theory, also voiced by some Chinese officials, that America was responsible for the pandemic.
“I do not know how real this accusation is but when it exists, who in their right mind would trust you to bring them medication?" Mr Khamenei said. "Possibly your medicine is a way to spread the virus more.”
Without offering any evidence, he also alleged that the virus “is specifically built for Iran using the genetic data of Iranians which they have obtained through different means”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51994675

Hopefully the Iranian people will vote this idiot out at the next ele...

Oh wait,

 

[numbnuts]

Just reading that Snowdon had its busiest Saturday in history yesterday
Are these people totally bl**dy mad AND selfish.

So you can't climb a mountain, but it's OK to push a trolley around a packed supermarkets makes sense to me

 

[ozboz]

I was in Sainsbury’s , couldn’t pay for stuff my bank may have been hacked, phoned HSBC and no go till tomorrow morn , wonderful , anyway all calm , quite well stocked , mad thing is , everyone appeared to be spying on what everyone else had in their baskets
Reminded me of a father Ted programme 😂
I’m off for ride in a bit , going stir fry in here ,
Keep safe all

 

[glasgowcyclist]

So you can't climb a mountain, but it's OK to push a trolley around a packed supermarkets makes sense to me

Eating is essential, the other is not.
It’s not difficult.

 

[Mo1959]

Car mot this Tuesday. Presume essential garage work will continue to keep people safe and legal. I also have a dental check up on 7th April which I think I will cancel, even although at the moment they are still doing check ups.

 

[tom73]

@Brompton Bruce seen this ?
Not only is the PPE pointless some of it being sent out is out of date and been re dated so fit to use.

View: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-oxfordshire-51981350/oxfordshire-gp-slams-wholly-inadequate-coronavirus-protection

 

[fossyant]

Have you decided to close the van @fossyant or have the owners closed site?

I haven't opened mine yet because I can't decide if I ought to be using it or not.

An email - before last Friday - from the owners of my site said they are closed to tourers, but still open to owners of statics.

The on site pub/restaurant must now be shut, but I didn't use that much anyway.

Decided to close. It's a private site, so open to owners.

 

[Rocky]

@Brompton Bruce seen this ?
Not only is the PPE pointless some of it being sent out is out of date and been re dated so fit to use.

View: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-oxfordshire-51981350/oxfordshire-gp-slams-wholly-inadequate-coronavirus-protection

Thanks!! My wife tells me that what the GP is saying is true but the situation is slightly more nuanced than she claims. First, it the level of protection required depends on the procedure that the GP will be doing (those WHO guidelines were for aerosolised procedure - eg intubation), for something less invasive, those aprons would be fine. There is no evidence that masks four years old will be less effective - but it seems a bit crass just to rebadge the use-by date. However, that level of supplies is probably wholly inadequate for the demand a busy practice like that would experience. The GP is also right about the eye protection - as I mentioned earlier in this thread, it seems increasing numbers of GPs are wearing swimming goggles in the absence of being provided with protective headwear and visors. The uncovered eyes of professionals seem very vulnerable as a method of getting the infection from a patient.

 

[Dave7]

So you can't climb a mountain, but it's OK to push a trolley around a packed supermarkets makes sense to me

Unless you have been up Snowdon you will not know..... the 'top' is very very small. Its quite flat and has a large cafe. Apparently its rammed and people are shoulder to shoulder.

 

[kingrollo]

Just reading that Snowdon had its busiest Saturday in history yesterday
Are these people totally bl**dy mad AND selfish.

It was only a week ago that Boris Johnson told us that mass events should go ahead - and there was no evidence that lockdowns work.

So we shouldn't be too surprised - if people aren't fully on board with a swift 180 about turn ...

 

[kingrollo]

Cannot see how what has happened in Italy can be taken as an indicator for events here given the differences in family social structures, not many elderly relatives here have relations visiting 24/7.

Seriously ????
Unless there is a variable I don't know about - we are pretty much nailed on to go the same was italy.
I also read an article saying the ageing population only tells half the story - as older people are less mobile so don't pass it on to as many people - that also explains why a lot of 50 something s are dying from CV

 

[GetAGrip]

Use of the word 'suicide' has become less acceptable in the last 10 years or so.

A couple of coroners around here now put 'took his own life' in the verdict box of the official form they fill in after an inquest.

Not so long ago they would always have used the s word in those circumstances.

The word has also fallen out of use in hearings in a bid to spare the feelings of the family a little.
[/I'm afraid that however you dress up the the devastating (S) event, it is what it is, and family & friends have to deal with it in the best way they can, regardless of how others want to dress it up.

 

[nickyboy]

They could lockdown areas in a staggered effect but get the MOD to road block areas to stop people moving about.
My wife’s hospital is taking C-19 patients from overloaded London hospitals, and they have run out of PP gear already.

Partial lockdowns have been shown not to work. All it does is prompt a rapid exodus from the most infected areas to the least infected areas. Road blocks I can't see working, far too many ways out of, say, Greater London

I can't see any alternative to a broader lockdown. It would only be a matter of a couple of weeks before all areas would need the lockdown anyway

 

[tom73]

Thanks!! My wife tells me that what the GP is saying is true but the situation is slightly more nuanced than she claims. First, it the level of protection required depends on the procedure that the GP will be doing (those WHO guidelines were for aerosolised procedure - eg intubation), for something less invasive, those aprons would be fine. There is no evidence that masks four years old will be less effective - but it seems a bit crass just to rebadge the use-by date. However, that level of supplies is probably wholly inadequate for the demand a busy practice like that would experience. The GP is also right about the eye protection - as I mentioned earlier in this thread, it seems increasing numbers of GPs are wearing swimming goggles in the absence of being provided with protective headwear and visors. The uncovered eyes of professionals seem very vulnerable as a method of getting the infection from a patient.

Yes that's my take on it too it just add's to the stress and many will be feeling quite nervous as it is.
re intubation
I've seen reports that some are going without any PPE to ensure they have some for carrying out intubation.
Stocks will have to be found and quickly though we have been told more is on the way. As with many things we are going to need moved around and stock management. The sooner the Army get going on it the better. One thing they know is how to get stuff moving and how to manage it. As anyone know who's ever tried to get anything out of past the a QM.

 

[Dave7]

It was only a week ago that Boris Johnson told us that mass events should go ahead - and there was no evidence that lockdowns work.

So we shouldn't be too surprised - if people aren't fully on board with a swift 180 about turn ...

Not too sure what your point is (not being funny) but I am not the brightest and yet I know that uneccesary social gatherings are a bad idea. Surely they can't all be thick.