Coronavirus outbreak

[marinyork]

This theme cropped up in the comments sections of newspapers and elsewhere .
"Surely people need to know if someone living in their area has coronavirus"?
Armed with that knowledge what is it that these people would do that they should already be doing anyway?

It will be a big problem for society. No official record system to demonstrate you have had the virus and prove it. There will be people who've had it who can't prove, people who think they've had it and have and can't, those that think they've had the virus and haven't and those that think they haven't but have. There'll be the odd very rare person immune (most people have none whatsoever).

 

[randynewmanscat]

I gather from others (don't know, because we're staying out of the way) that Sheffield city centre was quite a bit quieter than normal - I've seen a couple of photos which suggest this could be the case, but of course it defeats the object of the exercise if people just congregate elsewhere.

I suspect the controls will get tighter this coming week, but it's only my guess.

I think you suspect correctly and that your guess may prove to be correct.
It's day 5 here and I am witness to surreal stories of social distancing. The fewer stories to relate, the better for all.

 

[Pale Rider]

We'll end up banned from cycling soon thanks to that lot.

That could happen if there is continuing non-compliance.

My view is time will be given for Friday's restrictions to settle in, but only a little time.

In other words, this weekend may be written off by the authorities from a compliance point of view, but they will expect much better compliance by next weekend.

Visiting holiday areas seems to be becoming an issue which can only be amplified by the clocks going forward and the coming of the better weather.

Assuming full compliance is achieved within a week or so, such visits will become less attractive due to the official closure of cafes, pubs, and restaurants, added to some existing unofficial closures of visitor attractions.

I can't decide if I should be using my static caravan in the Yorkshire Dales or not.

But travelling to it is as much against the restrictions as heading to the seaside.

Just because there's only one of me, and I don't wander about in public with my shirt off carrying a can of lager doesn't make my visit any more socially responsible.

 

[marinyork]

I think you suspect correctly and that your guess may prove to be correct.
It's day 5 here and I am witness to surreal stories of social distancing. The fewer stories to relate, the better for all.

I think in the UK people will start staying indoors when the London deathtoll goes to a couple of hundred and tested cases start jumping elsewhere.

 

[randynewmanscat]

Any of our France-based correspondents seen anything of this?

Edit to add: if true, could be an indicator for increased domestic restrictions similar to Italy/France/Spain?


View: https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1241477088558940166?s=20

That is pretty much what he is saying. I think most intra European borders will be closed by next Friday.
This list will grow in length.
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/w...sas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control_en

 

[marinyork]

But travelling to it is as much against the restrictions as heading to the seaside.

Just because there's only one of me, and I don't wander about in public with my shirt off carrying a can of lager doesn't make my visit any more socially responsible.

The current social distancing stuff isn't detailed enough really. What was released now realistically needed to be released a week and a half ago.

The "unnecessary travel" one is that one that's always going to be widely interpreted. It means (not to you) that someone can travel and then everyone else can't! When I was talking about an event with other people two said no it can't go ahead as the risk is from public transport and not the event and it's "unnecessary travel". Fine but then they went about their lives normally for the next three days . Other that said the event couldn't go ahead have then been seen on social media doing all sorts of things this weekend .

Some of the Deputy Chief Medical Officer's comments on families could have been clearer.

 

[randynewmanscat]

Just because there's only one of me, and I don't wander about in public with my shirt off carrying a can of lager doesn't make my visit any more socially responsible.

Spot on I say.

 

[randynewmanscat]

I can't decide if I should be using my static caravan in the Yorkshire

If you are going to stay put there, yes,for sure. Not for a visit though. You know that and are wondering where best to pitch up for a while?

 

[glasgowcyclist]

I can't decide if I should be using my static caravan in the Yorkshire Dales or not.

But travelling to it is as much against the restrictions as heading to the seaside.

I can fully understand your temptation to go. I had a similar choice to spend next week in the Highlands but have decided against it. I *might* do no harm in going but there’s less risk if I stay put per the government advice.

There are about 8 cases in Highland, 110 in Greater Glasgow so I don’t want to chance making their situation worse.

My journey is not essential and I will have the opportunity again.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

As expected, things are getting still worse in Italy.

From the BBC:

The Italian region of Lombardy has introduced stricter measures in a bid to tackle the spread of coronavirus.

Under the new rules announced late on Saturday, sport and physical activity outside, even individually, is banned. Using vending machines is forbidden.

The move comes as Italy reported nearly 800 coronavirus deaths on Saturday and saw its toll for the past month reach 4,825, the highest in the world.

Lombardy is the worst-affected region in the country with 3,095 deaths.

The region's President Attilio Fontana announced the new measures in a statement.

Businesses have been asked to close all operations excluding "essential" supply chains. Work on building sites will be stopped apart from those working on hospitals, roads and railways.

All open-air weekly markets have been suspended.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51991972

 

[Pale Rider]

The "unnecessary travel" one is that one that's always going to be widely interpreted.

That is certainly true, but I may as well try.

Seems to me very, very, few journeys could properly be described as necessary.

The only two I can immediately think of is going to work if you cannot work by other means, and going out for the essentials of living such as getting food or attending a medical appointment, if that cannot be done by other means.

If you are going to stay put there, yes,for sure. Not for a visit though. You know that and are wondering where best to pitch up for a while?

Not sure I grasp your question, the caravan is a static so cannot be moved.

I can fully understand your temptation to go. I had a similar choice to spend next week in the Highlands but have decided against it. I *might* do no harm in going but there’s less risk if I stay put per the government advice.

There are about 8 cases in Highland, 110 in Greater Glasgow so I don’t want to chance making their situation worse.

My journey is not essential and I will have the opportunity again.

I have to agree with this, which means my decision with the static should be the same.

Being honest, I've only been considering it so much in an effort to find a way of producing the result I want - I can go.

 

[marinyork]

Businesses have been asked to close all operations excluding "essential" supply chains. Work on building sites will be stopped apart from those working on hospitals, roads and railways.

All open-air weekly markets have been suspended.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51991972

That's actually nuts. It's looking like a lot more businesses and offices have stayed open than what people have overtly let on . I'd say typical Italy, but it ain't funny in the slightest.

Ah well, so much for three lockdowns and 2 sets of robust measures. Or perhaps it's the testing regime's fault. I don't really know any more.

 

[randynewmanscat]

Stephen Powis medical director NHS England on the news. "you follow the advice you are saving somebody's life".

 

[randynewmanscat]

Not sure I grasp your question, the caravan is a static so cannot be moved.

Old person terminology getting in the way, by pitch up I mean choose to stay after you are under movement restrictions. I thought you might be mulling over which place to stay for the duration.
If you are considering a visit and return, no, don't.

 

[Pale Rider]

If you are considering a visit and return, no, don't.

Ah, with it now.

Your conclusion is the correct one, but of course, it's not the one I want to hear.