Coronavirus outbreak

[Deleted User]

So despite the happy go lucky ,beer drinking, football banter loving guy - there's something itching ? - is there more to understand here ? - but the conflict that you shouldn't go there ...that way lies unhappiness and discontent ...stick to the booze and footy ...it will all be alrighty !

Oh I know it will be alright, just wondering how long till everyone else feels the same?

 

[Deleted User]

Perhaps you should get out more.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/most-britons-want-covid-restrictions-remain-poll-2021-07-14/

I think getting out more is what's frowned upon by some on here so I don't think that's a good idea.

Oh you mean take any notice of some Poll?

Unless I've misread 66.6% of 1057 respondents think restrictions should remain, that's 600 odd people then.

So what, 1000's went to the Euro final who clearly thought differently so pretty pointless post really.

Perhaps YOU should get out more?

 

[slowmotion]

I can't be sure - but I thought I read a stat today that 40% of admissions are vaccinated people.???

If true the whole effectiveness of the vaccine must be in doubt.

{polite cough}

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...al-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-12359317

 

[kingrollo]

The vaccine does not make you totally immune, it just means your system hits the ground running if you get the virus.

Some of those people will be ill enough to need hospital treatment. Those with co-morbidities in particular can get pretty ill.

Yes I understand that.
But I seem to be hearing everyday that double jabbed people are going down with covid. Weren't we told it's effectiveness was around 90%.????

 

[kingrollo]

{polite cough}

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...al-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-12359317

But if 60% of admissions are unvaccinated -that would imply the other 40% are vaccinated ?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

If true the whole effectiveness of the vaccine must be in doubt.

No, it just means that a huge proportion of the population most vulnerable to hospitalisation has been vaccinated.

 

[Milzy]

But if 60% of admissions are unvaccinated -that would imply the other 40% are vaccinated ?

Very worrying stuff really. You’d expect a lot less going into hospital vaccinated. Maybe it will just prevent deaths but can still F you up.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Very worrying stuff really. You’d expect a lot less going into hospital vaccinated. Maybe it will just prevent deaths but can still F you up.

No. Its exactly what you'd expect for a 90% effective vaccine.

But I seem to be hearing everyday that double jabbed people are going down with covid. Weren't we told it's effectiveness was around 90%.????

10x more would be going down with it if unvaccinated. Seriously, that's how prevalent this thing is right now.

 

[DaveReading]

No. Its exactly what you'd expect for a 90% effective vaccine.

A surprising number of people appear not to understand that.

 

[kingrollo]

No. Its exactly what you'd expect for a 90% effective vaccine.



10x more would be going down with it if unvaccinated. Seriously, that's how prevalent this thing is right now.

Yeah I guess that figures. The hospital where I work there are rumours of redeployment of non clinical staff on a scale that will dwarf that of the first 2 waves.

 

[slowmotion]

But if 60% of admissions are unvaccinated -that would imply the other 40% are vaccinated ?

Yes. Vaccinated yesterday with the first jab before it gives any protection? Vaccinated with one jab eight weeks ago when it gives some?

I don't have access to the data, but it doesn't necessarily imply that double-jabbing doesn't largely work.

 

[kingrollo]

A surprising number of people appear not to understand that.

Me for one. If the vaccination in an ideal world stops you getting covid, failing that it stop you getting sick enough to need hospital treatment.

But if 40% of admissions are double jabbed -?

I suppose we need data of how many double jabbed end up in hospital. Rather than a % of admitted ????

 

[kingrollo]

Yes. Vaccinated yesterday with the first jab before it gives any protection? Vaccinated with one jab eight weeks ago when it gives some?

I don't have access to the data, but it doesn't necessarily imply that double-jabbing doesn't largely work.

No doubt the figures will come in due course. We perhaps need a comparison of 1000 double jabbed - v 1000 not vaccinated.

Then as you say does double jabbed yesterday count ??

 

[roubaixtuesday]

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But if 40% of admissions are double jabbed -?

To illustrate

Let's say 90% of the vulnerable population are double jabbed.

40% of admissions are double jabbed.

Risk if jabbed is 40/90 ~ 0.44

Risk if not jabbed is 60/10 = 6

Risk reduction from jabbing = 6/0.44 ~13 fold

Vaccine efficacy >90%.

 

[slowmotion]

Me for one. If the vaccination in an ideal world stops you getting covid, failing that it stop you getting sick enough to need hospital treatment.

But if 40% of admissions are double jabbed -?

I suppose we need data of how many double jabbed end up in hospital. Rather than a % of admitted ????

Quite so. How many people with two jabs and the 2-3 weeks after the second (to build up further protection) actually end up on death's door in ICU? I don't have the numbers, but I do know that people drawing the conclusion that " jabs don't work" need to be quoted in the OED under "Stupidity".