Coronavirus outbreak

[kingrollo]

Isn't the Minister just saying that mask wearing in schools is not compulsory? There's no law to make it so. But schools will make it 'compulsory' and extend that to when sitting at desks in classrooms. As far as testing is concerned, that's going to happen too, and for practical reasons that will mean a staggered restart for most schools (except the smallest) getting a proportion of years back each day.
Several papers have shown that infection spread in schools is small compared to the transmission in the local community generally. So the various restrictions on protective measures in schools is small beer, imo, and will have minimal effect.

They learn slower if they are deprived of a good face-to-face education.

Yeah - we can't have the govt making rules can we ? - they might get it wrong ! - pass it on to the headteacher and the school epidemiologist

 

[mjr]

What actions do you think would minimise the chance of that @Oldhippy? How large a risk does that have to be before our community chooses to maintain severe restrictions on and continued damage to education, the economy, personal freedoms, being sociable with others, etc?

That's a false dilemma: the choice is not between severe restrictions and throwing the unvaccinated under-50s under the bus. We should maintain moderate restrictions on education, economy, personal freedoms and socialising in order to avoid the even worse damage to education, economy, personal freedoms and socialising from increased illness and death and possibly allowing breeding room for a new, even worse variant to arise.

The announcement of normality by June was reckless — and yes, I know that was footnoted as an earliest date, but that was never going to be reported as widely as the June date. Hopefully, as someone (@lane?) wrote, this hopefully will prove to be in the same category of bull shoot as Johnson's "absolute confidence" that covid would be gone from the UK before the end of summer 2020!

 

[mjr]

French Health Minister Veran is appearing in Dunkirk this afternoon. I know not why. Nord is currently one of the areas with highest number in hospital but not as high a % as some, according to https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/france-coronavirus-cases.html

Dunkirk will be in total lockdown at weekends. The new case rate there has exceeded 1% per week (1'000/100k, or 142/100k per day averaged over a week, in UK reporting style), triple the average for Nord and 50% higher than the also-locked-down Nice. https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/san...que-d-autres-territoires-dans-le-rouge_152094

I suspect this doesn't affect the ferry port with services to/from the UK and Ireland, because that's in the neighbouring canton of Loon-Plage these days and international travel is pretty restricted right now anyway.

PM Castex is giving a press conference tomorrow.

This evening, apparently.

 

[Mo1959]

Dunkirk will be in total lockdown at weekends. The new case rate there has exceeded 1% per week (1'000/100k, or 142/100k per day averaged over a week, in UK reporting style), triple the average for Nord and 50% higher than the also-locked-down Nice. https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/san...que-d-autres-territoires-dans-le-rouge_152094

I suspect this doesn't affect the ferry port with services to/from the UK and Ireland, because that's in the neighbouring canton of Loon-Plage these days and international travel is pretty restricted right now anyway.


This evening, apparently.

France vs Scotland rugby postponed as so many of the French team have Covid!

 

[Salty seadog]

Isn't the Minister just saying that mask wearing in schools is not compulsory? There's no law to make it so. But schools will make it 'compulsory' and extend that to when sitting at desks in classrooms. As far as testing is concerned, that's going to happen too, and for practical reasons that will mean a staggered restart for most schools (except the smallest) getting a proportion of years back each day.
Several papers have shown that infection spread in schools is small compared to the transmission in the local community generally. So the various restrictions on protective measures in schools is small beer, imo, and will have minimal effect.

They learn slower if they are deprived of a good face-to-face education.

Make it compulsory then. That way they don't leave themselves open to get more covid failure.

 

[kingrollo]

It obvious they are just going to let it ride - if anything Johnsons roadmap will be speeded up not slowed down.

 

[kingrollo]

Make it compulsory then. That way they don't leave themselves open to get more covid failure.

That would involve Fatty Johnson get off his middle class ass - and facing up to his neo Nazi back benchers .....it aint happening. !!!

 

[Julia9054]

Passing the buck to headteachers so they can take all the flack from the “why are you muzzling my child” parents.

 

[kingrollo]

Passing the buck to headteachers so they can take all the flack from the “why are you muzzling my child” parents.

"Freedom"

 

[marinyork]

Several papers have shown that infection spread in schools is small compared to the transmission in the local community generally. So the various restrictions on protective measures in schools is small beer, imo, and will have minimal effect.

They learn slower if they are deprived of a good face-to-face education.

The transmission is low in nurseries and primary schools and fairly low in secondary schools. With variations. As we can't vaccinate the vast majority under 16 there is a trade off: schools back, other stuff opens slowly. Things have to be taken very carefully as there is not much that can be done until school children are vaccinated. It's not a great situation.

We are trying to knock out all societal transmission routes by 80-95%. So even small becomes significant and as we go towards summer, small matters.

As the JCVI are likely not going to concentrate ontransmission routes in occupations as was reiterated again yesterday, just age drills, things are difficult.

 

[matticus]

The transmission is low in nurseries and primary schools and fairly low in secondary schools. With variations. As we can't vaccinate the vast majority under 16 there is a trade off: schools back, other stuff opens slowly. Things have to be taken very carefully as there is not much that can be done until school children are vaccinated. It's not a great situation.

We are trying to knock out all societal transmission routes by 80-95%. So even small becomes significant and as we go towards summer, small matters.

As the JCVI are likely not going to concentrate ontransmission routes in occupations as was reiterated again yesterday, just age drills, things are difficult.

Summary: it is what it is.

 

[marinyork]

Summary: it is what it is.

Not really and there's no reason to be silly about it.

The discussions on this forum evolve around the people who are only bothered about deaths as a metric and those who are over 50 and don't care.

These rather basic points have to be made again and again because people just keep on shouting deaths will come down and I'm all right Jack. Well yes, no one disagrees on that, it's all other stuff some people refuse to even acknowledge.

 

[classic33]

Dunkirk will be in total lockdown at weekends. The new case rate there has exceeded 1% per week (1'000/100k, or 142/100k per day averaged over a week, in UK reporting style), triple the average for Nord and 50% higher than the also-locked-down Nice. https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/san...que-d-autres-territoires-dans-le-rouge_152094

I suspect this doesn't affect the ferry port with services to/from the UK and Ireland, because that's in the neighbouring canton of Loon-Plage these days and international travel is pretty restricted right now anyway.


This evening, apparently.

Commercial traffic and essential travel only. You're also required to provide a negative test result, from within the last 72 hours.

 

[Oldhippy]

I am over 50 and I care very much.

 

[matticus]

The discussions on this forum evolve around the people who [...] those who are over 50 and don't care.

I see no link between that statement, my post, and the post I quoted.
There was nothing wrong with your comments, I just didn't see any point to them. No offence meant