mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
How do you figure out there are lower deaths in the UK this time round? Peak rate is lower but total deaths is higher so far.
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All uphill
Still rolling along
- Location
- Somerset
Translated (in my mind): "Chums, do whatever you want. Rules are for the little people."
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
No rules for the rich, misrule for the rest.
DCLane
Found in the Yorkshire hills ...
- Location
- Dewsbury, West Yorkshire
What's a 'high value' traveller? A millionaire? Me?
It seems to be these, which is a very different list, but the tweet's extremely poorly phrased: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...les#jobs-that-qualify-for-travel-exemptions-1
Wobblers
Euthermic
- Location
- Minkowski Space
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Over 40,000 fatalities in the first wave. Half that (so far) in this one.
Plus the clinical evidence - published clinical evidence - showing that better treatment has lowered the case fatality rate. Then there's the evidence that it's younger people who're catching it. Better treatment and a less vulnerable population will inevitably lead to fewer deaths.
Though I expect fatalities to remain quite high, because I'm not convinced that this new and improved tier system will be particularly effective. Coupled with the easing of restrictions over Christmas, it's sadly likely that we'll see a third peak in mid-January.
matticus
Guru
When did the 2nd wave start? What defines a "peak"?
It's subjective. I would say it started in September here, but it did take a long while to really get going. Scarily enough in Italy and Germany it seems to have come later and in Italy's case very fast.
In countries like Iran and the US with large surges within a wave you're always going to get discussions.
matticus
Guru
So august deaths are all counted in the "First Wave" tally? I just want to be clear on this before I read anyone's arguments!
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Comparing the whole first wave with a just-peaking second seems wrong.
Lower rate. Not necessarily fewer deaths in total.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Even retailers realise Sunak's bung is wrong and offer to pay most of their property taxes: https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ands-back-440m-in-covid-business-rates-relief
raleighnut
Legendary Member
- Location
- One of the 'Elite'
Yep well played to them, they didn't have to close down in the restrictions and in fact probably saw a greater 'footfall' during it. As well it takes away the prospect of them being derided for taking advantage of the situation.
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matticus
Guru
If (big IF) we get numbers right down by end of December, then there's a big upsurge in Jan, is that a 3rd wave? Or just the 2nd wave really "getting going"?
