Coronavirus outbreak

[Accy cyclist]

What do you find wrong with people willingly accepting being vaccinated based upon a full understanding of the vaccine and it's testing history?

You do know the difference between willingly and forced i take it.

 

[Accy cyclist]

Yes I would,

Good!!👍

 

[MntnMan62]

I doubt if there is anyone with a full understanding of the vaccines and their testing history.

Last time I checked, there were ten seperate ones.

I'm sure there are people out there who have been following this stuff. After all, what else do people have to do with their time besides surf the internet looking for obscure information about stuff they want to know about?

 

[MntnMan62]

You do know the difference between willingly and forced i take it.

Yet again, you answer a question with a question. Clearly you don't know much about anything at all.

 

[MntnMan62]

There will never be a compulsory vaccination in the US. However, any private business could conceivably refuse to allow unvaccinated people to enter their establishments. Is it really the idea of compulsion that bothers you people or is it just the idea of a vaccine of any kind that bothers you?

 

[classic33]

I'm sure there are people out there who have been following this stuff. After all, what else do people have to do with their time besides surf the internet looking for obscure information about stuff they want to know about?

Testing is ongoing, so full results aren't known by those doing the testing. How are we supposed to know what they don't?

 

[MntnMan62]

Testing is ongoing, so full results aren't known by those doing the testing. How are we supposed to know what they don't?

Someone interested can find out the progress of testing and what preliminary results look like. You can find out anything if you try hard enough.

 

[Accy cyclist]

Yet again, you answer a question with a question. Clearly you don't much about anything at all.

It was a rhetorical question.

I asked "Would you be happy to make a stand and stop the potential forced vaccination of many people"?

You replied 'What do you find wrong with people willingly accepting being vaccinated based upon a full understanding of the vaccine and it's testing history'?

Ok,if you want an answer to that here it is,though bear in mind my point was against the forced vaccination,not the willingness of people to take it.

No,i wouldn't find people willingly taking the vaccine bad,but i would find the unwilling people being forced to have the vaccine very bad.

 

[MntnMan62]

It was a rhetorical question.

I asked "Would you be happy to make a stand and stop the potential forced vaccination of many people"?

You replied 'What do you find wrong with people willingly accepting being vaccinated based upon a full understanding of the vaccine and it's testing history'?

Ok,if you want an answer to that here it is,though bear in mind my point was against the forced vaccination,not the willingness of people to take it.

No,i wouldn't find people willingly taking the vaccine bad,but i would find the unwilling people being forced to have the vaccine very bad.

You didn't ask me that question. You asked @Unkraut that question. I didn't answer that question. You can't even keep up with your own bull****. But since you raise the it here, I'll bite. Is not the issue of forced vaccination related to whether people will willingly take the vaccine? After all, the only reason a government would attempt to make a vaccine mandatory would be if they felt that too few people would be willing to take it of their own accord. It's something called public safety. The idea to protect the people of a given country from a disease that is killing thousands of people every day. But if there was an indication that most people would willingly submit to the vaccine, then there would be no need to make it mandatory. Do you see the correlation in that thought process? Basically an age old philosophical postulation by Jeremy Bentham. The greatest good for the greatest number. I'm not saying that I agree with forced vaccination. Generally speaking I'm not in favor of forced vaccination. But I could understand that there are certain circumstances where it could be justified.

 

[classic33]

Someone interested can find out the progress of testing and what preliminary results look like. You can find out anything if you try hard enough.

At present, it's not entirely clear if the vaccines will be a one-off, or required annually, like the flu jab. Whether it will actually immunise you from catching it again. Long term effects are unknown.

Simple questions like what could happen if you are given two different versions(different manufacturer's) if it is an annual jab, are unknown at this moment in time.

 

[classic33]

You didn't ask me that question. You asked @Unkraut that question. I didn't answer that question. You can't even keep up with your own bull****. But since you raise the it here, I'll bite. Is not the issue of forced vaccination related to whether people will willingly take the vaccine? After all, the only reason a government would attempt to make a vaccine mandatory would be if they felt that too few people would be willing to take it of their own accord. It's something called public safety. The idea to protect the people of a given country from a disease that is killing thousands of people every day. But if there was an indication that most people would willingly submit to the vaccine, then there would be no need to make it mandatory. Do you see the correlation in that thought process? Basically an age old philosophical postulation by Jeremy Bentham. The greatest good for the greatest number. I'm not saying that I agree with forced vaccination. Generally speaking I'm not in favor of forced vaccination. But I could understand that there are certain circumstances where it could be justified.

Seems like you did answer.

 

[MntnMan62]

At present, it's not entirely clear if the vaccines will be a one-off, or required annually, like the flu jab. Whether it will actually immunise you from catching it again. Long term effects are unknown.

Simple questions like what could happen if you are given two different versions(different manufacturer's) if it is an annual jab, are unknown at this moment in time.

I agree that phase 3 testing is still ongoing. I don't see a vaccine being released very soon like Trump wants us to think. I don't see a vaccine being available for widespread use until around this time next year. And then it will take a while for it to be distributed so the impact of it will not be felt until sometime in 2022. By then we will obviously know more about any vaccine and hopefully know more about the virus as well.

 

[MntnMan62]

Seems like you did answer.
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You didn't ask me that question. You asked @Unkraut that question. I didn't answer that question. You can't even keep up with your own bull****. But since you raise the it here, I'll bite. Is not the issue of forced vaccination related to whether people will willingly take the vaccine? After all, the only reason a government would attempt to make a vaccine mandatory would be if they felt that too few people would be willing to take it of their own accord. It's something called public safety. The idea to protect the people of a given country from a disease that is killing thousands of people every day. But if there was an indication that most people would willingly submit to the vaccine, then there would be no need to make it mandatory. Do you see the correlation in that thought process? Basically an age old philosophical postulation by Jeremy Bentham. The greatest good for the greatest number. I'm not saying that I agree with forced vaccination. Generally speaking I'm not in favor of forced vaccination. But I could understand that there are certain circumstances where it could be justified.

 

[classic33]

I agree that phase 3 testing is still ongoing. I don't see a vaccine being released very soon like Trump wants us to think. I don't see a vaccine being available for widespread use until around this time next year. And then it will take a while for it to be distributed so the impact of it will not be felt until sometime in 2022. By then we will obviously know more about any vaccine and hopefully know more about the virus as well.

Pfizer have said 40,000,000 doses by the end of December. So 40,000,000 get given a vaccine whose long term effects are unknown at the time they are given it.

I'm no longer able/allowed to participate in drug trials due to a "serious adverse reaction" in November 1995. Anti-epiletic medication involved at the time. The best part of three months in hospital as a result.

 

[Accy cyclist]

But I could understand that there are certain circumstances where it could be justified.

'Certain circumstances'. Admit it. You are in favour of the forced vaccination of millions of people who do not want to have it. How would you impose your forced vaccination? Would it be by ostracising people,or by physically holding them down?