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MntnMan62
Über Member
- Location
- Northern NJ
A lot has to happen between now and then. Even if they could produce 40 million doses, it will take a very long time to distribute them. And 40 million isn't anywhere near what is needed to effectively protect everyone. If a vaccine is going to be produced now and attempt to put an end to deaths caused by the virus, they will have to put it out there without knowing the long term effects. The only way to know long term effects is with the passage of time. Study of the virus and the vaccine will continue even after approval is given to distribute the doses. If they identify problems with the vaccine, they can either fix the problems or halt the distribution of the vaccine. Not much more that can be done. I'm sorry you can't participate in drug trials but you've already paid your dues. Ultimately, science is a pretty powerful thing. And while governments may not always have the right motivation for doing things, the scientists are pretty idealistic and have one main motivation. To save lives.
MntnMan62
Über Member
- Location
- Northern NJ
Now who's putting words in someone's mouth?
RecordAceFromNew
Swinging Member
- Location
- West London
Plenty of figures exist to show what harms the economy and lives most is not lockdown, but lockdown too late, or just as bad reopening before a country should/could, as Boris has done. See this, economic impact comparison is in section 4.
Debating whether lockdown or open up to keep the economy going, like our government is doing, is missing the point entirely - they are fighting over a "false dilemma". The damage to an economy can only be minimised by implementing lockdown and subsequent containment measures properly.
Adam4868
Legendary Member
This from Hancock is pathetic...his criticism of Andy Burnham.
'Unfortunately we did see the impact on cases continuing to go up in those areas where local leaders were not working alongside us and it was a sharp contrast to what happened for instance in Liverpool.'
'Unfortunately we did see the impact on cases continuing to go up in those areas where local leaders were not working alongside us and it was a sharp contrast to what happened for instance in Liverpool.'
raleighnut
Legendary Member
- Location
- One of the 'Elite'
Typical 'nasty party 'blame shifting'
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Excellent summary of UK position from independent SAGE
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/Kit_Yates_Maths/status/1332353257612730368
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/Kit_Yates_Maths/status/1332353257612730368
I learned something a couple of days ago which might be of interest to a certain gentleman across the Pond.
The virus being experienced in Europe should more properly be called the Italian virus, not the Chinese one if you have to give it a name based on land of origin. Source was an interview with Prof Kekulé virologist in Halle, who claimed the virus was imported into north Italy presumably from China at the beginning of the year, mutated into a more infectious and nasty version causing the pandemic in northern Italy, and was exported from there across Europe and then to the United States. It may in turn have found its way back into China.
The virus being experienced in Europe should more properly be called the Italian virus, not the Chinese one if you have to give it a name based on land of origin. Source was an interview with Prof Kekulé virologist in Halle, who claimed the virus was imported into north Italy presumably from China at the beginning of the year, mutated into a more infectious and nasty version causing the pandemic in northern Italy, and was exported from there across Europe and then to the United States. It may in turn have found its way back into China.
Rolling out the 20 min test's all over the place without even having finished the evaluation of the pilot in Liverpool. Won't get use out the mess any quicker. In fact it may make it a whole lot worse the early signs from Liverpool of what has not work well multiplied in other areas is not a good picture. Add the political games playing out by all sides at all levels the end game is not getting closer.
MntnMan62
Über Member
- Location
- Northern NJ
But does it matter what you call it? It's all just semantics. The biggest problem the US has faced since the beginning of the year is the sheer fact that the Federal Government has done exactly NOTHING about the virus. A global virus requires a centralized national focus and effort to contain it within a country. Instead, the screaming orange sphincter muscle decided to ignore it. He's admited as much publicly.
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...downplayed-covid-19-threat-says-woodward-book
And because of his "stupendous" handling of the pandemic, the death toll in the US according to Worldometers.com puts it at 273,072. And the number of cases is spiking at levels not yet seen even when it spiked back in April. Surely the number of deaths here is going to skyrocket. He was afraid of a panic? Really? He did nothing. He doesn't deserve to be president. He deserves to be behind bars charged with gross negligence in the handling of the pandemic. Let him serve prison terms for all the deaths his inaction caused.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
So, whilst it remains illegal to meet more than six people in a park, not only is it legal to meet 2,000 at a football game, you can get pissed up too.
Unbelievable.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...be-allowed-alcohol-without-a-meal-in-stadiums
Unbelievable.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...be-allowed-alcohol-without-a-meal-in-stadiums
" but only if they are seated in concourses or hospitality areas."
Most clubs I know do not have seating in concourses and 2000 evenly distributed around the ground (even a small lower division ground) is not "meeting 2000"
Why do so many here look to pick holes in, and put a negative spin, on every initiative?
Oh, I remember now! This is cycle chat!
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Putting 2000 people together at all seems very high risk compared to what else is allowed. Its massively higher risk than Parkrun, just for instance.
Making it literally the only place in the country (save for Cornwall, Wight and Scilly) you can buy booze without a meal seems positively perverse.
How on earth can this be justified when pubs can't open? It's totally out of kilter.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
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- Inside my skull
They should not be allowed to serve alcohol on its own if the pubs can’t
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
- Location
- You want hills? We got hills
Interesting that the daily death rates in the second wave in UK and Spain are significantly lower than in the first wave. They're a bit lower in France, about the same in Italy, and much higher in Germany
I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from these facts. Have UK, Spain and France done a much better job 2nd wave compared to 1st wave in stopping people becoming infected and/or treating those infected? Or has Germany got much worse at stopping its citizens becoming infected and/or treating them?
Can't compare case numbers 1st to 2nd wave as the testing regime is so different. But for sure fewer UK citizens are dying 2nd wave v 1st wave and the opposite is true of Germany
I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from these facts. Have UK, Spain and France done a much better job 2nd wave compared to 1st wave in stopping people becoming infected and/or treating those infected? Or has Germany got much worse at stopping its citizens becoming infected and/or treating them?
Can't compare case numbers 1st to 2nd wave as the testing regime is so different. But for sure fewer UK citizens are dying 2nd wave v 1st wave and the opposite is true of Germany
