Coronavirus outbreak

[fossyant]

T3 for Manchester. I had hoped to go to a covid safe outdoor 'eatery' before Christmas - went under T3 rules last month and it was excellently organised (so were the two other places we went to over the weekend), but they won't be open, nothing will.

Even more madness are the Christmas plans in a T3 area.

 

[straas]

We had our first meal out as a couple in 15 months booked for 3rd.

so so fed up with it now.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Hancock trying divide and rule, blame local leaders for his govt failure.

It'll probably work.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

We had our first meal out as a couple in 15 months booked for 3rd.

so so fed up with it now.

I feel similarly, but hold on. Vaccine is coming, and every day of restrictions means lives saved.

 

[mjr]

Hancock trying divide and rule, blame local leaders for his govt failure.

It'll probably work.

Yep.

Full list with "reasons" https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2020-11-26/hcws608

Around here, it seems like they're trying to get good honest hard-working law-abiding Tory voters in the more rural boroughs to blame the lying feckless outlaw bad Labour voters in the city.

Of course, the paranoid take-back-control-freaks at gov.uk won't give local leaders the powers and resources to address the crisis properly. County public health directors and trading officers have barely anything to work with and borough environmental health and economic development officers have almost nothing except "covid marshals".

Boris likes his war rhetoric and it's often said that wars are usually won by the leaders who recognise and enable the best generals, rather than those who try to do too many of the generals' jobs themselves.

 

[fossyant]

Well, looks like MIL will be spending Christmas Day shut in her room at the Nursing home. We're not holding hope of being able to see her at all. Xmas dinner alone ! It's sh1t for care home residents.

 

[Deleted User]

Wolves in Tier 3 as well.

 

[midlife]

Cumbria in tier 2, bit of a surprise as the infection rate here in Carlisle stubbornly high.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Wolves in Tier 3 as well.

I've always thought anyone using Lynx should be isolated, while we're at it

 

[geocycle]

Cumbria in tier 2, bit of a surprise as the infection rate here in Carlisle stubbornly high.

while Lancaster with fewer cases is in tier 3! Wish they would use the evidence. Surely biggest concern must be London with higher values and still rising.

 

[mjr]

while Lancaster with fewer cases is in tier 3! Wish they would use the evidence. Surely biggest concern must be London with higher values and still rising.

Lancashire is in tier 3 because "While there have been improvements in some areas, case rates and the proportion of tests which are positive for covid-19 remain high. Case rates in over 60s are very high (over 200 per 100,000) in 6 lower tier local authorities. There is still pressure on the NHS in this region."

Carlisle is in tier 2 because "The picture in Cumbria is broadly improving although case rates in Carlisle and South Lakeland are increasing – with increases likely due to a large school outbreak. Case rates in over 60s are above 100 per 100,000 in Carlisle and Barrow-in-Furness. These case rates are too high for allocation to Tier 1 but Cumbria’s trajectory does currently not warrant inclusion in Tier 3."

Hancock's written answer also says "Taken as a whole, the situation in London has stabilised at a similar case rate and positivity to other parts of the country in Tier 2."

Disagree about which evidence they've used, or the action levels they've chosen, if you like (as I do), but they have actually seemed to use some evidence this time.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

while Lancaster with fewer cases is in tier 3! Wish they would use the evidence. Surely biggest concern must be London with higher values and still rising.

Issue seems to be that large areas have been lumped together.

On the bright side, much better to be wrongly in a higher tier than vice versa. Higher tier = lower rate = less deaths.

 

[Yellow Fang]

Bastard, tier 2 means pubs can open but only if the serve substantial meals. So I still can't go to the farking pub.

 

[johnblack]

Bastard, tier 2 means pubs can open but only if the serve substantial meals. So I still can't go to the farking pub.

Pubs have always had to work with rules that they have worked around, I think that will remain the same. Difficult for busy town centre pubs, but less so out in the wilds.

 

[nickyboy]

Issue seems to be that large areas have been lumped together.

On the bright side, much better to be wrongly in a higher tier than vice versa. Higher tier = lower rate = less deaths.

Higher tier than necessary = more disruption to economy and social well-being of residents = more negative impacts on residents than necessary