Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?

[Milzy]

Almost certainly a lot older than you.



We have seen. You appear to have had your eyes shut for the last 2.5 years.

It’s you that’s got your head well buried in the sand.

 

[Slick]

Well, having avoided it since the beginning, I have tested positive today.
I think a colleague that I had a non socially distanced chat with on Saturday, infected me, but who knows.
I rode to work as usual this morning, but because I was feeling the chills on a warm day, I did a test before reporting for duty.
I work in a hospital, tests are freely available.
The 2 lines came up within a minute!
Truly, when I was working in hospitality, before the pandemic, I went to work feeling much, much worse than this.
I'm isolating for 5 days, because I wouldn't like to pass the virus on to someone vulnerable.
Thing is, I'm fine, but another person could end up in hospital.
Also, I am getting paid for being off work, but if I pass it to someone that gets really not well, and isn't paid from work for taking time off, this would be socially irresponsible, imo.

Sorry to hear that Pat, but I did the same as you for the same reason as you. Good decision I reckon.

Take care. 👍

 

[vickster]

That's the one, but it is just one, not the several implied further up thread.

He actually used the word ‘many’ without any quantification or evidence

 

[C R]

He actually used the word ‘many’ without any quantification or evidence

In their defence, I did some digging, and there are about 100 claims to the vaccine injury fund in the UK for verified side effects of the COVID vaccines. Timely BBC piece here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61898694

Note how the affected people interviewed are at pains to distance themselves from anti vaccine interpretations.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

I've never come across a self service pub. They nearly all have bar staff, who are just as open to catching it as anyone else. Or are pub staff immune to it, thereby allowing them to continue serving those who want to drink and to hell with everyone else.

Yea but the point is, who is notifying the health authorities to close a pub down? Sure bar staff may catch it, but equally they may do that in other contexts.

 

[Milzy]

He actually used the word ‘many’ without any quantification or evidence

You’re one of the better forum members & I can show you evidence but it’s pointless. I feel you’ll always be skeptical & will never allow yourself to become fully awake.

 

[vickster]

You’re one of the better forum members & I can show you evidence but it’s pointless. I feel you’ll always be skeptical & will never allow yourself to become fully awake.

How many people do you personally know who have died of/with Covid? It's not a mild disease for everyone, even if you just felt a bit rough for a few days and have had no lasting effects (as was also the case for myself having been vaccinated).

If you want to make claims, fill your boots, but if you want them to be taken seriously, you need to provide credible evidence (not BS from quacks making money from claims on YouTube as an example).

12BN doses of SARS Cov-2 vaccine have been given globally...how many of those have resulted in a claim for damages as a result globally - is it truly 'many' or actually a tiny tiny minority? How does that proportion compare to the data on side effects reported from the clinical trials and post-launch surveillance/RWE? No one ever said there are none

And I'm not flattered by your flattery I'm afraid

 

[Milzy]

How many people do you personally know who have died of/with Covid? It's not a mild disease for everyone, even if you just felt a bit rough for a few days and have had no lasting effects (as was also the case for myself having been vaccinated).

If you want to make claims, fill your boots, but if you want them to be taken seriously, you need to provide credible evidence (not BS from quacks making money from claims on YouTube as an example).

12BN doses of SARS Cov-2 vaccine have been given globally...how many of those have made a claim for damages as a result globally - is it truly 'many' or actually a tiny tiny minority? How does that proportion compare to the data on side effects reported from the clinical trials and post-launch surveillance/RWE? No one ever said there are none

And I'm not flattered by your flattery I'm afraid

You raise a very good question. I’ll try & dig something up. 😘

 

[Wobblers]

You’re one of the better forum members & I can show you evidence but it’s pointless. I feel you’ll always be skeptical & will never allow yourself to become fully awake.

Sigh.

There have been tens of millions of people vaccinated in the UK alone. Roughly speaking, there is of the order of a one in a million chance of having a severe side effect (blood clot or myocarditis). Given the size of the vaccinated population, adverse outcomes are inevitable, regrettably. This does not mean that there is some sort of conspiracy - it's all there in the published medical literature should you wish to look it up (MedCram and Dr John Campbell both also covered it very well on YouTube if you want something rather more accessible).

Note that the chances of suffering a severe blood clot from Covid are about 1000 times higher than the vaccine. It's also associated with cardiac damage / myocarditis (and I see that there's a comment above about someone coming down with atrial fibrillation shortly after a Covid infection). In short, Covid is far more likely to cause serious complications than the vaccine - and that applies even to those who are young and healthy.

 

[Milzy]

Sigh.

There have been tens of millions of people vaccinated in the UK alone. Roughly speaking, there is of the order of a one in a million chance of having a severe side effect (blood clot or myocarditis). Given the size of the vaccinated population, adverse outcomes are inevitable, regrettably. This does not mean that there is some sort of conspiracy - it's all there in the published medical literature should you wish to look it up (MedCram and Dr John Campbell both also covered it very well on YouTube if you want something rather more accessible).

Note that the chances of suffering a severe blood clot from Covid are about 1000 times higher than the vaccine. It's also associated with cardiac damage / myocarditis (and I see that there's a comment above about someone coming down with atrial fibrillation shortly after a Covid infection). In short, Covid is far more likely to cause serious complications than the vaccine - and that applies even to those who are young and healthy.

I like this analysis. If you’re young and fit there’s no need to have the vaccine IMO. My cycling buddy Mr.Burrows works in a car home so he’s had 4 now. I’ve had 2 & I don’t want anymore. It’s a fact that most deaths were obese older people & people with pre existing health issues.

 

[vickster]

I like this analysis. If you’re young and fit there’s no need to have the vaccine IMO. My cycling buddy Mr.Burrows works in a car home so he’s had 4 now. I’ve had 2 & I don’t want anymore. It’s a fact that most deaths were obese older people & people with pre existing health issues.

Most yes but by no means all
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...icles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/deaths

 

[Slick]

I like this analysis. If you’re young and fit there’s no need to have the vaccine IMO. My cycling buddy Mr.Burrows works in a car home so he’s had 4 now. I’ve had 2 & I don’t want anymore. It’s a fact that most deaths were obese older people & people with pre existing health issues.

 

[Wobblers]

I like this analysis. If you’re young and fit there’s no need to have the vaccine IMO. My cycling buddy Mr.Burrows works in a car home so he’s had 4 now. I’ve had 2 & I don’t want anymore. It’s a fact that most deaths were obese older people & people with pre existing health issues.

That's not quite the case. There still is a benefit to getting vaccinated even if you are young and healthy - you're still significantly more likely to die or suffer serious consequences from Covid than from any of the vaccines. (Again, you'll find proper risk analyses of this in the medical literature.) The benefit certainly isn't as large as it is for older people, but it's still there. One thing that hasn't been factored into this risk/benefit calculation is Long Covid - which is still a significant risk to the young (over 1%). Vaccination reduces the risk of getting Long Covid -and applies to everyone. This is a very significant benefit in its own right, and I'd argue that even if you're young and healthy, it's still very worthwhile getting vaccinated.

 

[Andy in Germany]

It’s a fact that most deaths were obese older people & people with pre existing health issues.

You could say that about a lot of illnesses, it doesn't mean they aren't dangerous to other people, nor does it mean you can't carry the illness to other people.

My cycling buddy Mr.Burrows works in a car home so he’s had 4 now

You mean it is spreading to motor vehicles? now that is a serious mutation.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

You mean it is spreading to motor vehicles?

It’s mutated in to Carvid Porsche variant