Cars of the seventies and eighties that you still like the look of

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Conrad_K

unindicted co-conspirator
The GTS ws a neat looking machine but wasn't the best executed.

Foale, Vyrus and Bimota did better, albeit very expensive, examples of hub centre steering.
It's too bad Tony Foale only made a few QLs. There were some other Funny Front End bikes - Royce Creasy's Voyagers and Malcolm Newell's Quasars - but there were only a handful of those, too. Some of the chassis builders had their own FFE variants too.

Nothing wrong with the bikes, just a consequence of the prices they had to charge for handbuilt machinery.
 

Conrad_K

unindicted co-conspirator
Original LP400 Countach before it sprouted silly arch spats and spoilers.
Yes.

The original show car just had louvers on the top of the rear fenders. When they decided to build some production cars they found out the louvers were in a low-pressure area and there was insufficient airflow through the side-mounted radiators. One of the mechanics at the test track when the overheating problem showed up cobbled some boxy air scoops out of sheet metal and attached them to the car so they could continue testing.

The proper solutions would have been to use some righteous fans, or to relocate to a single radiator at the rear, or even a radiator in the front. But Lamborgini was in dire financial straits at the time, so they just kept on using the fugly "dog ear" scoops.

Later, when tires got wider, they screwed on some plastic fender extensions that look like they same off a Jeep Renegade. The engineers bored the engine out a few times, and went to fuel injection, but never got around to fixing the original cooling problems, or widening the body to cover the wider tires. Widening would be a fearesomely expensive option for a car using pressed panels, but the Countachs were mostly hand-built, with the body panels shaped with an English sheel, hammers, and welding. Like Ferraris of the same era, no two were quite alike, and body parts from one car wouldn't necessarily fit another.

Lamborghini apparently placed little value with the original LP400 show car; they sent it to America, where the Federal government slammed it into a concrete wall for "crash testing." [sigh]

Nowadays someone would have retrieved the remains from the scrapyard and restored it to its original condition, but the collector market wasn't much interested in "new" cars back then. A peculiarity of the exotic restoration business is that if you crash a car badly enough, you can wind up with *two* cars, as the scrapped leftovers are sometimes built into another car, often sharing the same VIN number, much to the authorities' consternation.
 

FishFright

More wheels than sense
Yes.

The original show car just had louvers on the top of the rear fenders. When they decided to build some production cars they found out the louvers were in a low-pressure area and there was insufficient airflow through the side-mounted radiators. One of the mechanics at the test track when the overheating problem showed up cobbled some boxy air scoops out of sheet metal and attached them to the car so they could continue testing.

The proper solutions would have been to use some righteous fans, or to relocate to a single radiator at the rear, or even a radiator in the front. But Lamborgini was in dire financial straits at the time, so they just kept on using the fugly "dog ear" scoops.

Later, when tires got wider, they screwed on some plastic fender extensions that look like they same off a Jeep Renegade. The engineers bored the engine out a few times, and went to fuel injection, but never got around to fixing the original cooling problems, or widening the body to cover the wider tires. Widening would be a fearesomely expensive option for a car using pressed panels, but the Countachs were mostly hand-built, with the body panels shaped with an English sheel, hammers, and welding. Like Ferraris of the same era, no two were quite alike, and body parts from one car wouldn't necessarily fit another.

Lamborghini apparently placed little value with the original LP400 show car; they sent it to America, where the Federal government slammed it into a concrete wall for "crash testing." [sigh]

Nowadays someone would have retrieved the remains from the scrapyard and restored it to its original condition, but the collector market wasn't much interested in "new" cars back then. A peculiarity of the exotic restoration business is that if you crash a car badly enough, you can wind up with *two* cars, as the scrapped leftovers are sometimes built into another car, often sharing the same VIN number, much to the authorities' consternation.

Apparently there is close to double the production numbers of restored Bentley Blowers out there
 
You find hub-centre steering interesting, particularly the manner in which it separates the suspension from braking effedts, and thus maintains geometry under braking.

If it’s hub steering you like then you need a Neracar. Made in both USA and the UK. Hub Center steering and a manual CVT transmission, complete with a super low C of G. All yours 100 years ago.

i had a friend who restored one of these things, he used to amuse us by puttering around the parking lot doing figure eights, standing up, no hands.
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you could even get it with a bucket seat.
 

kapelmuur

Guru
Location
Timperley
I was riding near Knutsford (Cheshire) on Saturday and found myself seeing cars taking part in the vintage Tour of Cheshire.

Mainly 1970s/80s models, nothing very exotic. Nevertheless a pleasure to see them well loved and running well.

The annual event is held on the first Saturday of March, I’ll take my GoPro next year.
 

Conrad_K

unindicted co-conspirator
Some years ago I got a call from a friend who was driving through Indiana. That was back when cellular minutes were billed individually. He said he had just been passed by a couple in a Dusenberg traveling well above the speed limit. A bit later he called back and said he had passed a Cord. Still later, he called from a gas station where he had been talking to someone who had driven an Auburn Boattail Speedster up to the pump. It was an Auburn-Cord-Dusenberg club, doing a rally to the old factory site in South Bend, Indiana.

The Dusenberg looked a bit road-worn, with dust, dried bugs, etc. The owner said the point wasn't to do a car show, it was that the cars were made to be driven, so that's what they did. When they did judging, the scoring *added* points for grime, dead bugs, and distance driven. "Trailer queens" could show up, but were not included in the judging.

The Illinois police must have turned a blind eye to the antiques, since Bruce got passed by a few more before his path diverged from theirs.

It was a while different attitude from the local Porsche Club guys, who a friend described as "a bunch of waxers." I suspect some of them imported real German compressed air to put in their tires, and they would roll their cars out of their enclosed trailers and under their pavilion tents, lest the sun fade the paint or upholstry. I don't remember ever hearing any of them running, much less moving under their own power.
 
The VAZ 2103 Lada… I had one of these in college ( it was even this colour ) I dated the girl who became my wife in it. I entered it in a rally and came in fifth. It was modified, crashed, beat on and thrashed and it always came back for more. It finished off doing daily 120km round trips to one of my first jobs. I loved it then and bet it would be a blast to have now.

and yes, it was a true turd.

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When I was still at school - or had recently left - so probably 18ish
one of the lads had a fiat - basically the same as a Lada to look at

it had a hand throttle in the centre console which you could use like a throttle
or pull it out and twist it to lock it

a sort of very very basic cruise control

so - being 18 - he used to drive around a lot with both feet on the dashboard
naturally this was safe as he could see any problems up ahead and get his feet down to the brakes if he needed them
safe meaning "safe in the mind of an 18 year old boy"

he didn;t die and nor did anyone else - so that was OK
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
It was a while different attitude from the local Porsche Club guys, who a friend described as "a bunch of waxers." I suspect some of them imported real German compressed air to put in their tires, and they would roll their cars out of their enclosed trailers and under their pavilion tents, lest the sun fade the paint or upholstry. I don't remember ever hearing any of them running, much less moving under their own power.

In a similar vein to the "bunch of waxers" comment, a friend who's a professional car photographer was sent to cover some Ferrari anniversary in Monte Carlo or Cannes or wherever it was. Loads of historic Ferraris featured and my mate thought it must be great driving such a car down through rural France for an occasion like that. Nah, they'd pretty much all been trucked down by their owner's mechanic, the owner would fly down and meet them, ponce up and down the prom' a couple of times then fly home, leaving the "help" to lorry the car back home.

Seriously, what is the point?
 

Brandane

Legendary Member
Location
Costa Clyde
In a similar vein to the "bunch of waxers" comment, a friend who's a professional car photographer was sent to cover some Ferrari anniversary in Monte Carlo or Cannes or wherever it was. Loads of historic Ferraris featured and my mate thought it must be great driving such a car down through rural France for an occasion like that. Nah, they'd pretty much all been trucked down by their owner's mechanic, the owner would fly down and meet them, ponce up and down the prom' a couple of times then fly home, leaving the "help" to lorry the car back home.

Seriously, what is the point?

Here is one very valuable classic that is still in use though. I know it is pre 70's and therefore off topic, but what a beauty! I was down south for a few days in June last year, and was stopped at a petrol station in Cheltenham when this arrived. I wonder how much it is worth? And how much the insurers want for taking it out on public roads among the modern day drivers?

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Edit to add.... According to its MOT history, it has covered just over 11k miles. In recent years it has done an average of about 150 miles per year!
 
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The VAZ 2103 Lada… I had one of these in college ( it was even this colour ) I dated the girl who became my wife in it. I entered it in a rally and came in fifth. It was modified, crashed, beat on and thrashed and it always came back for more. It finished off doing 120km round trip to one of my first jobs. I loved it then and bet it would be a blast to have now.

and yes, it was a true turd.

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I still like the 1500 estates & the 1600ES
 

Conrad_K

unindicted co-conspirator
Here is one very valuable classic that is still in use though. I know it is pre 70's and therefore off topic, but what a beauty! I was down south for a few days in June last year, and was stopped at a petrol station in Cheltenham when this arrived. I wonder how much it is worth? And how much the insurers want for taking it out on public roads among the modern day drivers?
I used to know a guy who loved cars and had the money to indulge himself. He owned the second Sunbeam Tiger prototype (the done by Carroll Shelby and Dean Moon, not the first one, done at the Rootes factory), a couple of Cobras, some vintage NASCAR racers, and a Shelby Daytona Coupe, among others.

Bo was a member of the Shelby owner's club, but most of them hated him. Bo's attitude was that they were made to be driven, so he did track days and vintage racing events regularly. So his cars had paint chips, dings in the metal from rocks, etc., which apparently caused great heartache to the club members.

One day his enthusiasm got ahead of his driving skill and he stuffed the 427 Cobra into some haybales at... I think it was Thunderhill in California. So he loaded it into his trailer and took it to the body shop while various club members suffered heart arrythmia of watching a million dollar car get crashed. While it was being repaired, he mentioned that once you're paying somone to make a replacement fender and hood out of sheet metal, it doesn't cost any more to fix a million dollar car than a mere hundred-thousand-dollar car.

Which I guess is a valid point of view if you had the kind of money Bo did.

When he went to pick the car up he took his wife's Ford Expedition with the enclosed trailer, loaded the Cobra, and took off. I don't think he ever told me how much the repairs cost. At the first stoplight the unsecured Cobra came through the front of the trailer and into the back of his wife's Expedition. Whoops.

He said he just turned around, drove back to the body shop, and called his wife to come and get him, since her truck needed to be repaired too.
 
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