Herzog
Swinglish Mountain Goat
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Why clinchers...?
Carbon Clinchers
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xxmimixx
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Good question
Mainly because it will be easier to deal with inner tubes and I also read somewhere that they are the way forward??:confused:
Mr Haematocrit
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I would never ever buy cheap carbon clinchers which are not proven, or from companies who do not have the money to invest in the technology.
Kings Ridge Gran Fondo and other sporting events have banned full carbon clinchers due to the number of rim failures and when you start looking into this further, the failures you can find documented seem to be at the 'cheaper' end of the market.
Not all deep full carbon clinchers are created equal and experience means now I will only use two brands. All my familys bikes run full carbon clinchers.
Personally I would take a set of good hand builts over a cheap full carbon clincher
Kings Ridge Gran Fondo and other sporting events have banned full carbon clinchers due to the number of rim failures and when you start looking into this further, the failures you can find documented seem to be at the 'cheaper' end of the market.
Not all deep full carbon clinchers are created equal and experience means now I will only use two brands. All my familys bikes run full carbon clinchers.
Personally I would take a set of good hand builts over a cheap full carbon clincher
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xxmimixx
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What about Planet x ones there are a few on the £4/500 mark and i think the reviews are not too bad but id rather hear it from owners
Herzog
Swinglish Mountain Goat
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The reason I ask is, I bought some Planet X tubular 50mm wheels a couple of weeks ago and they're great!!
Mr Haematocrit
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I personally look at reviews objectively, many of them are done by people who brought any specific wheel set as an upgrade. If they are better than what they had then they receive rave reviews. This is not to say that compared to other products from wheel manufacturers they compare. Last year I rode deep clinchers from five different manufacturers for longer periods and found that many which were raved about were horrible in cross winds and difficult to live.
If you buy a cheap deep aero wheel, the cost savings have to be made somewhere and typically this is the materials used in the breaking surfaces along with the construction of them, not to mention a lack of wind tunnel time which is usually exhibited in poor crosswind performance.
The choice from my experience is between a cosmetic wheel and a high performance wheel.. It's simple as that.
A good value high performance wheel is called a hand built imho and these are largely under valued and under rated.
FreeFlow Bikes
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I had my heart seat on a pair of Carbon 50mm clinchers but was talked out of it by people on here and my mates. Mainly to to my budget and the type or riding I do. Ended up with Shimano Dura-Ace WH-9000 Carbon Allow C24 wheel and I love them. Very light and responsive!
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xxmimixx
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does anyone have experience with this shop http://www.ericbicycle.com/carbon-fiber-wheels/road-wheelset/?subcats=Y&features_hash=V88
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http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/WPPX52CCL/planet_x_52mm_carbon_clincher_wheelset
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http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/WPPX52CCL/planet_x_52mm_carbon_clincher_wheelset
Rob3rt
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The Planet X ones used to be £399 not long ago. At £399, they were worth a pop IMO, but at £499, I am not convinced!
sackville d
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I generally run Hope Pro 3 on Mavic OP but around Christmas decided to treat myself to some PX carbon clinchers 52mm (note to self,middle age crissis??) Initially I wasn`t that impressed, a bit plasticy (carbon fairing on alu rim
) but the hubs run very smooth ,the spokes are bladed and they are fast and comfy but ohh the noise
A result of high tension in the spockes I would imagine.
Nice wheels but my next will be some more Hope Pro3 on Mavic OP from my LBS
) but the hubs run very smooth ,the spokes are bladed and they are fast and comfy but ohh the noiseA result of high tension in the spockes I would imagine.Nice wheels but my next will be some more Hope Pro3 on Mavic OP from my LBS
Herzog
Swinglish Mountain Goat
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More challenging, yes. Though with the rights pads...and more importantly, technique...carbon rims in the wet aren't so bad.
amaferanga
Veteran
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Carbon rims on a damp morning are fine. Carbon rims on waterlogged roads are potentially dangerous if you don't account for the massively increased stopping distance.
Off topic, but I wouldn't ride Veloflex tyres on anything but perfect roads and only if I didn't mind replacing them every ~1000 miles. They're race/best tyres, not every day tyres.
Off topic, but I wouldn't ride Veloflex tyres on anything but perfect roads and only if I didn't mind replacing them every ~1000 miles. They're race/best tyres, not every day tyres.
Mr Haematocrit
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I have been riding full carbon zipp firecrests and enve wheels since they were released. I have ridden then in poor weather including through flood water and in snow, the wheels are not potentially dangerous and the braking distances are not massively increased.
I also ride with a number of people on this forum who I assure you will confirm that I have no issue with stopping behind the people using alloy rim surfaces in any weather condition.
I also race Cat4 and have never encountered an issue stopping behind someone with alloy breaking surfaces.
If I had any doubts what so ever regarding the braking ability of my wheels, I would not be using them. I find them reasuring.
As previously stated not carbon wheels are created equal and cheap ones do not have the research or technology placed into the braking surfaces, zipp invest massively in this area and reviews generally state breaking performance is on par with alloy rimmed wheels.
you can see one such review at the following URL
http://wrenchscience.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/zipp-303-firecrest-carbon-clinchers.html
And another at the following URL
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/review-wheels/wheels/zipp-808-wheelset_641.html
Its not carbon wheels which are the problem, its poor quality wheels
amaferanga
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You race Cat 4 on Enve and Zipp FIrecrests? Wow! That's brave. On a Venge?
My comment about braking performance are based on racing in a thunderstorm where the whole race circuit was flooded. Obviously on alloy rims you'd have vastly reduced braking performance, but even with clearing the rims and using Reynolds pads which were superb in the dry, I had virtually no brakes. I wasn't riding Enve or Zipp Firecrest wheels though, these were generic carbon clincher wheels.
If braking with your Zipps is so much better then that's great, but not worth the extra money to me.
My comment about braking performance are based on racing in a thunderstorm where the whole race circuit was flooded. Obviously on alloy rims you'd have vastly reduced braking performance, but even with clearing the rims and using Reynolds pads which were superb in the dry, I had virtually no brakes. I wasn't riding Enve or Zipp Firecrest wheels though, these were generic carbon clincher wheels.
If braking with your Zipps is so much better then that's great, but not worth the extra money to me.
