Can Weights Replace Bike Miles?

[Becs]

"Isometric strength training rapidly (i.e., after 1 week) decreases the O(2) cost of cycling during moderate-intensity exercise. . . . Isometric strength training can have beneficial effects on performance during endurance events"

from the above paper

 

[Becs]

Eur J Appl Physiol. 2010 Dec;110(6):1269-82. doi: 10.1007/s00421-010-1622-4. Epub 2010 Aug 27.
In-season strength maintenance training increases well-trained cyclists' performance.

Rønnestad BR, Hansen EA, Raastad T.
Source

Lillehammer University College, P.B. 952, 2604, Lillehammer, Norway. bent.ronnestad@hil.no

"In conclusion, in well-trained cyclists, strength maintenance training in a competition period preserved increases in thigh muscle CSA and leg strength attained in a preceding preparatory period and further improved cycling performance determinants and performance."

 

[Becs]

Eur J Appl Physiol. 2010 Mar;108(5):965-75. doi: 10.1007/s00421-009-1307-z. Epub 2009 Dec 4.
Effect of heavy strength training on thigh muscle cross-sectional area, performance determinants, and performance in well-trained cyclists.

Rønnestad BR, Hansen EA, Raastad T.
Source

Lillehammer University College, PB. 952, 2604, Lillehammer, Norway. bent.ronnestad@hil.no

Eur J Appl Physiol. 2010 Jul;109(4):699-708. doi: 10.1007/s00421-010-1407-9. Epub 2010 Mar 7.
Effect of isokinetic cycling versus weight training on maximal power output and endurance performance in cycling.

Koninckx E, Van Leemputte M, Hespel P.

Maximal strength training improves cycling economy in competitive cyclists.
Sunde A, Støren O, Bjerkaas M, Larsen MH, Hoff J, Helgerud J.
J Strength Cond Res. 2010 Aug;24(8):2157-65. doi: 10.1519/JSC.0b013e3181aeb16a.

etc
so yes there are plenty of studies out there !!!!!!!

 

[Becs]

I can call it nonsense because it is. All someone has to do in order to correct me is come up with some proof that what i am saying is bollox. It is up to those claiming that weights make a difference to prove it (I'll give you a clue though - there is no published scientific evidence to support that). Instead, the best that most people can come up with is meaningless anecdotes like 'it worked for me' or 'the pros do it' (although most of them don't - so read into that what you will).

I'll leave the 'nobber' thing to children though....incidentally - by your own definition of the word, you calling me a 'nobber' also makes you a 'nobber'..

That dear sir is "bollox"

 

[black'n'yellow]

"Isometric strength training rapidly (i.e., after 1 week) decreases the O(2) cost of cycling during moderate-intensity exercise. . . . Isometric strength training can have beneficial effects on performance during endurance events"

from the above paper

Once again - you (and others, to be fair) have missed the point. That study relates to otherwise untrained individuals - NOT trained or regular cyclists. Pretty much any exercise will see an improvement in an untrained individual.

 

[Becs]

Once again - you (and others, to be fair) have missed the point. That study relates to otherwise untrained individuals - NOT trained or regular cyclists. Pretty much any exercise will see an improvement in an untrained individual.

In the others subjects were actively involved in competition - and in any of these studies you compare to the control group anyway.

I don't care either way whether it works or not - I haven't got the time nor inclination to read the papers in full. What I object to is the Daily Mail style assertions that there is no scientific evidence when there clearly is if you bother to look.

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

Which you didn't bother reading. No better than "Daily Mail style assertions"

 

[Becs]

Which you didn't bother reading. No better than "Daily Mail style assertions"

Nope - because I'm not commenting on whether it works or not, just that there is literature out there

 

[black'n'yellow]

In the others subjects were actively involved in competition - and in any of these studies you compare to the control group anyway.

The second study shows that weight training increases your muscle cross section (no sh1t sherlock) and focuses on anaerobic (ie sprint) work. It also conclusively shows that a group that trains more does better than a group that trains less. I would give up now if I were you...

 

[Becs]

The second study shows that weight training increases your muscle atrophy (no sh1t sherlock) and focuses on anaerobic (ie sprint) work. It also conclusively shows that a group that trains more does better than a group that trains less. I would give up now if I were you...

again, my point is that studies - crap or otherwise - have been done. I never said they were any good

 

[black'n'yellow]

again, my point is that studies - crap or otherwise - have been done. I never said they were any good

Nobody said that studies had NOT been done - but I did say earlier that there were no studies that 'supported' the notion that weight training improves ECP - but thanks for trying

 

[Becs]

(I'll give you a clue though - there is no published scientific evidence to support that).

In your humble opinion . . . . . which is based on what expertise exactly?

 

[Becs]

Nobody said that studies had NOT been done - but I did say earlier that there were no studies that 'supported' the notion that weight training improves ECP - but thanks for trying

It's that kind of condescending attitude that puts people off these otherwise useful parts of the forum

 

[Becs]

Nobody said that studies had NOT been done - but I did say earlier that there were no studies that 'supported' the notion that weight training improves ECP - but thanks for trying

J Strength Cond Res. 2010 Aug;24(8):2157-65. doi: 10.1519/JSC.0b013e3181aeb16a.
Maximal strength training improves cycling economy in competitive cyclists.

Sunde A, Støren O, Bjerkaas M, Larsen MH, Hoff J, Helgerud J.
Source

Department of Sport and Outdoor Life Studies, Telemark University College, Bø, Norway. arnstein.sunde@hit.no
Abstract

The purpose of the present study was to investigate the effect of maximal strength training on cycling economy (CE) at 70% of maximal oxygen consumption (Vo2max), work efficiency in cycling at 70% Vo2max, and time to exhaustion at maximal aerobic power. Responses in 1 repetition maximum (1RM) and rate of force development (RFD) in half-squats, Vo2max, CE, work efficiency, and time to exhaustion at maximal aerobic power were examined. Sixteen competitive road cyclists (12 men and 4 women) were randomly assigned into either an intervention or a control group. Thirteen (10 men and 3 women) cyclists completed the study. The intervention group (7 men and 1 woman) performed half-squats, 4 sets of 4 repetitions maximum, 3 times per week for 8 weeks, as a supplement to their normal endurance training. The control group continued their normal endurance training during the same period. The intervention manifested significant (p < 0.05) improvements in 1RM (14.2%), RFD (16.7%), CE (4.8%), work efficiency (4.7%), and time to exhaustion at pre-intervention maximal aerobic power (17.2%). No changes were found in Vo2max or body weight. The control group exhibited an improvement in work efficiency (1.4%), but this improvement was significantly (p < 0.05) smaller than that in the intervention group. No changes from pre- to postvalues in any of the other parameters were apparent in the control group. In conclusion, maximal strength training for 8 weeks improved CE and efficiency and increased time to exhaustion at maximal aerobic power among competitive road cyclists, without change in maximal oxygen uptake, cadence, or body weight. Based on the results from the present study, we advise cyclists to include maximal strength training in their training programs.

 

[montage]

The second study shows that weight training increases your muscle cross section (no sh1t sherlock) and focuses on anaerobic (ie sprint) work. It also conclusively shows that a group that trains more does better than a group that trains less. I would give up now if I were you...

Pathetic attitude.