GrumpyGregry
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Does anyone know who exactly can appeal a sentence in these cases?
Boxer Gary Mason killed in bicycle crash
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downfader
extimus uero philosophus
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Someone once infered on Bikeradar that is can be, and you can force the CPS and Police to reinvestigate the situation. I'm ignorant on exactly how this works, it might need some very good lawyers to get involved.
downfader
extimus uero philosophus
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Incidentally the AA is now defending the uninsured driver to some degree:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...sts-at-risk-from-insurance-curb-AA-warns.html
I think they're opening a whole can of worms
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...sts-at-risk-from-insurance-curb-AA-warns.html
I think they're opening a whole can of worms
snailracer
Über Member
Drink-driving used to be punished with only cursory sentences, but given enough public outrage the sentencing got much harsher and now drink-driving is much rarer. The key to change is public support for it - the CPS and police won't change unless they're pushed.
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
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I think you have read too much into what the AA said.
It's stating that cars which are not being used because the owners are not in a position to do so might be uninsured for a short period of time and as such do not fall into the category of cars being deliberately driven by drivers who have chosen not to insure their cars.
One is an innocent explanation of non-insurance the other is a deliberate act of non-insurance and the two are not comparable.
GrumpyGregry
Here for rides.
Yep, BBC Breakfast trailing coverage of the issue from the same angle as the Sunday Independent in 10 mins or so.
summerdays
Cycling in the sun
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- Bristol
One of the comments I thought was very good by Dave Holladay (not that there weren't other good replies), and I liked the idea that rather than trying to bring in Motorists strict liability (not sure what the best thing to call it is), that instead start by introducing it to professional drivers.
skudupnorth
Cycling Skoda lover
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- Astley,Manchester
Saw it on the news this morning,not sure if it was any use to us because the guy who was suporting the motorist was clutching at the red light jumping,no insurance,riding up a one way street the wrong way blah,blah which made me want to start shouting at the TV (could not due to mini-Skuds in the room) Especially when on my ride in i lost count of red light jumping cars and at least four without their lights on !!!!
At the end of the day motorists in this country will always see us as the non-payers to the road system (even though we all know we do pay) and will always treat us as lower class road users.
At the end of the day motorists in this country will always see us as the non-payers to the road system (even though we all know we do pay) and will always treat us as lower class road users.
downfader
extimus uero philosophus
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Its victim blaming excuse making from said driver by the sounds. I sky+'d it, so will try and watch soon. I sent my email about 6.10am when I found out.
2Loose
Guru
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- Loughborough, Leicestershire.
It did sound like they really think it is ok to not look (and perhaps hurt someone) because some people RLJ.
They completely missed the point imho. Killing or injuring someone through provable negligence deserves appropriate and equal punishment - pedestrian, driver or cyclist. None of this 'it was a cyclist so a quick wrist slap will do' but if it had been anyone else you would have been in real trouble.
downfader
extimus uero philosophus
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Just started a new thread on this (R5 live one, found a breakfast link with Rayner on that too. The guy is a tool.
GrumpyGregry
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The guy is a journalist. He doesn't speak for drivers but controversy gets ratings. If they had got someone off the IAM in they would have said drivers who kill law-abiding cyclists and other road users are c*cks, or words to that effect.
So in my book the villains of the piece are the BBC bookers/editors who trivialised the entire issue by arranging for a 'heated debate'.
So in my book the villains of the piece are the BBC bookers/editors who trivialised the entire issue by arranging for a 'heated debate'.
As Easy As Riding A Bike
Well-Known Member
Exactly. I've made the same point (in a rather more heated way) in the other thread.
