Benefits of wearing a helmet

[ufkacbln]

two on the side of anti helmet are disputing their own figures

Its called a discussion between two people........ something you don't seem to comprehend!



You have also avoided answering any of the previous points.

Lets make it easy.

How does advocating increased helmet use, and the expansion to other groups like pedestrians interpret as "anti -helmet"


Now we realise that it is difficult for a pro-compulsion standpoint to answer this as it shows the massive holes in the compulsion argument, but go on, give us the benefit of your wisdom and explain.

 

[ufkacbln]

You have to be cautious with hospital figures. Studies that have attempted to match police records of accidents with hospital records have found that hospital records can have significant errors from confusing cyclists with motorcyclists - up to 50% of them wrong in one major London hospital. The other categories are fine but its just the ambiguity of "bike"

There was also the reporting of injuries by STATS19 as well. Many forms were the Police estimate of injuries which led to over-reporting of fatal head injuries.

A head injury is fairly graphic, and the Police would note this, but miss an internal injury. Often the victim would die of multiple injuries or internal injuries, but the head injury remain listed on STATS 19 as the cause.

There is no ideal answer as yet, but it will come as teh NHS becomes more accurate in reporting. It is also why studies like Sharn Thornhill's are important as they follow the patient through beyond the casualty department thus correcting some of the errors.

HAving said that even with 50% error in reporting the number of pedestrians exceeds cyclists by a fair margin

 

[Red Light]

i want to wear a helmet, i think they are of benefit,

No problem with that.

i think others should for the same reason,

I do have a problem with you trying to tell people what to do based nothing more than your personal faith, especially what you are telling them is contrary to what the evidence indicates.

if you dont like the tab anti helmet stop trying to stop me wearing one

Nobody's trying to stop you wearing one. We're objecting to you telling others to wear one based on nothing more than your personal beliefs.

And why do feel the need to continually lie by calling it anti-helmet? I have told you many many time that no-one is trying to ban helmets so why do you persist with the lie?

 

[Red Light]

There was also the reporting of injuries by STATS19 as well. Many forms were the Police estimate of injuries which led to over-reporting of fatal head injuries.

A head injury is fairly graphic, and the Police would note this, but miss an internal injury. Often the victim would die of multiple injuries or internal injuries, but the head injury remain listed on STATS 19 as the cause.

There is no ideal answer as yet, but it will come as teh NHS becomes more accurate in reporting. It is also why studies like Sharn Thornhill's are important as they follow the patient through beyond the casualty department thus correcting some of the errors.

HAving said that even with 50% error in reporting the number of pedestrians exceeds cyclists by a fair margin

To be honest the evidence is its getting worse. It used to be that the police would phone the hospital to find out the medical diagnosis and outcome and then amend the STATS19 return but these days they don't have the time so it stays as recorded at the scene. In addition the seniority and experience of the officer at the scene has dropped making the at scene recording less reliable.

But you are right about pedestrians especially as there are about 6 times more serious pedestrian injuries from trips and falls than are recorded in STATS19 (since a vehicle has to be involved to get into STATS19)

 

[Red Light]

two on the side of anti helmet are disputing their own figures

Yes, you never did get the concept of critical assessment of the data.

 

[david k]

Wear a helmet if you want, no one is stopping you. If fact come to think of it I don't suppose anyone give a toss either way. You might want to question your desire to tell others what they should do though.

The fact that the evidence is far from clear cut is something you can deal with at your leisure. One day you may chose to look at the whole rather than the selective.

oh your back then?


You might want to question your desire to tell others what they should do though. I have not told you that you must wear a helmet? Again proof that you make things up to try to discredit those who feel wearing a helmet is beneficial Are you to continue with this desperate approach, youve brought up nothing new

 

[david k]

Its called a discussion between two people........ something you don't seem to comprehend!



You have also avoided answering any of the previous points.

Lets make it easy.

How does advocating increased helmet use, and the expansion to other groups like pedestrians interpret as "anti -helmet"


Now we realise that it is difficult for a pro-compulsion standpoint to answer this as it shows the massive holes in the compulsion argument, but go on, give us the benefit of your wisdom and explain.

A discussion between 2 people is only possible to be relevant if it is courteous, coming from somebody with a fruit fetish this is difficult to say the least.

If your not pro helmet and get very angry like you the only conclusion we can make is your anti helmet

 

[david k]

No problem with that.



I do have a problem with you trying to tell people what to do based nothing more than your personal faith, especially what you are telling them is contrary to what the evidence indicates.




Nobody's trying to stop you wearing one. We're objecting to you telling others to wear one based on nothing more than your personal beliefs.

And why do feel the need to continually lie by calling it anti-helmet? I have told you many many time that no-one is trying to ban helmets so why do you persist with the lie?

if i feel something is of benefit it is for a reason, im a nice guy, if i think something is of benefit i obviously feel they are of benefit for others. Thinking others can also have the same benefit is not the same as telling somebody to wear one.

But of course this is how you wish to conduct your anti helmet views onto people, by making assumptions when it uits. Why hide behind your true beliefs?

 

[MrHappyCyclist]

So, fellow forumites, what is it that makes some of us decide to wear a helmet and why do others not.

I started to wear a helmet when our children were starting to ride, to encourage them to wear theirs, the point being that they were more likely to fall off due to inexperience. I just got used to it and wear mine most of the time now (when cycling). I know it's irrational, given that I don't wear one when walking. Lately, it has also become a handy place to attach my video camera.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, it did take the hit for me when I got shot in the head by someone with an air-gun earlier this year.

 

[david k]

I started to wear a helmet when our children were starting to ride, to encourage them to wear theirs, the point being that they were more likely to fall off due to inexperience. I just got used to it and wear mine most of the time now (when cycling). I know it's irrational, given that I don't wear one when walking. Lately, it has also become a handy place to attach my video camera.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, it did take the hit for me when I got shot in the head by someone with an air-gun earlier this year.

thats scary, were did it happen

 

[MrHappyCyclist]

thats scary, were did it happen

Exactly here. (Well, slightly to the left actually, in the cycle lane.) But, it's all in the original topic along with the good wishes of the nice people here.

 

[david k]

bolton, not too far from me, i cant make it tha far on a bike though!

more proof that wearing a helmet is beneficial

 

[Red Light]

if i feel something is of benefit it is for a reason,

And that reason is?

 

[david k]

And that reason is?

it hurts less banging my head with a helmet on than off.

To me this is very simple, but some prefer something more complex before taking the easy decision of wearing one or not

 

[Davidc]

Can one of these threads get past the 999 posts barrier?

Will one of these threads ever change anyone's mind?

They exist on other cycling forums as well. I wonder how many TB of server space is filled with the same circular, pointless, and above all tedious ramblings?