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smutchin

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I don't have a vested interest in the details, hence I haven't bothered to look it up. I'm fairly sure it was in 1992 but I don't trust my memory enough to state it as fact. I have no idea why the information on the Wada site is so vague but that's not important. All that really matters is that the ban was in place well before Lance allegedly tested positive for EPO in 1999.

Regarding cortisone, you're supposed to provide TUE forms in advance of use. Providing a backdated TUE after you've tested positive not only looks a bit fishy, it is explicitly against the rules, although the authorities at the time clearly accepted Lance's explanation.

d.
 
Right then....
Definitive answer here - "In 1992 Erythropoietin (EPO) was added"

WADA formally took over administration of the IOC banned list in 2003, which may explain why their website is a little fuzzy over the exact date. After all EPO had already been banned for 11 years in 2003, so the precise date is pretty academic, unless you're desperately trying to avoid accepting that it was illegal in 1999. :rolleyes:
 
I don't have a vested interest in the details, hence I haven't bothered to look it up. I'm fairly sure it was in 1992 but I don't trust my memory enough to state it as fact. I have no idea why the information on the Wada site is so vague but that's not important. All that really matters is that the ban was in place well before Lance allegedly tested positive for EPO in 1999.

Regarding cortisone, you're supposed to provide TUE forms in advance of use. Providing a backdated TUE after you've tested positive not only looks a bit fishy, it is explicitly against the rules, although the authorities at the time clearly accepted Lance's explanation.

d.
Correct on the date.

Emma O'Reilly claimed that the note from Lance's mum backdated TUE was produced in haste and desperation because the team knew damn well that he'd taken a PED. Sore arse? My arse...
 

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I don't have a vested interest in the details, hence I haven't bothered to look it up. I'm fairly sure it was in 1992 but I don't trust my memory enough to state it as fact. I have no idea why the information on the Wada site is so vague but that's not important. All that really matters is that the ban was in place well before Lance allegedly tested positive for EPO in 1999.

Regarding cortisone, you're supposed to provide TUE forms in advance of use. Providing a backdated TUE after you've tested positive not only looks a bit fishy, it is explicitly against the rules, although the authorities at the time clearly accepted Lance's explanation.

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I think the reason they accepted his explanation was that the amount of cortisone was below the threshold and consistent with topical treatment for saddle sores, although some will have other explanations :whistle:
 

john duley

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"powerful American interests" ...... tell me more.

Well you have various Cancer charities which are given support by Congressmen both Democrat and Republican. Plus the athletic boards of various American sports who would not like to see their biggest All-American-Hero in the last twenty years brought down by yet another All-American drugs scandal, Marion Davis anyone?
 

smutchin

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I think the reason they accepted his explanation was that the amount of cortisone was below the threshold and consistent with topical treatment for saddle sores, although some will have other explanations :whistle:

The explanation is less important than the fact that he didn't provide the TUE in advance, which is specifically a bannable offence akin to missing a test.

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Alun

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The explanation is less important than the fact that he didn't provide the TUE in advance, which is specifically a bannable offence akin to missing a test.
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Only putting some meat on the bones for you, not trying to justify it.
I hope the case doesn't rest on the fact that LA used an allowable amount of cream on his arse, but didn't declare it in advance.
 

smutchin

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Only putting some meat on the bones for you, not trying to justify it.

Appreciated - sorry, didn't mean to seem like I was criticising your response.

I hope the case doesn't rest on the fact that LA used an allowable amount of cream on his arse, but didn't declare it in advance.

He's going to need a lot more cream on his arse over the coming weeks with the rogering the USADA are planning to give him.

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Alun

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Right then....
Definitive answer here - "In 1992 Erythropoietin (EPO) was added"

WADA formally took over administration of the IOC banned list in 2003, which may explain why their website is a little fuzzy over the exact date. After all EPO had already been banned for 11 years in 2003, so the precise date is pretty academic, unless you're desperately trying to avoid accepting that it was illegal in 1999. :rolleyes:

Chuffy, your link is to a IAAF document, but was that the banned list applicable to the TdF in 1992?
I'm not trying to suggest that EPO wasn't banned in cycling during the Armstrong era, but given the significance of EPO, I find it strange that no-one can say when it was banned.
If the IAAF list was the formal list for the TdF at the time, please accept my apologies.
 
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Chuffy, your link is to a IAAF document, but was that the banned list applicable to the TdF in 1992?
I'm not trying to suggest that EPO wasn't banned in cycling during the Armstrong era, but given the significance of EPO, I find it strange that no-one can say when it was banned.
If the IAAF list was the formal list for the TdF at the time, please accept my apologies.

EPO was put on the IOC's banned list in 1990. Armstrong competed in at least 2 olympics since that time, including Barcelona in 1992.
 
Chuffy, your link is to a IAAF document, but was that the banned list applicable to the TdF in 1992?
I'm not trying to suggest that EPO wasn't banned in cycling during the Armstrong era, but given the significance of EPO, I find it strange that no-one can say when it was banned.
If the IAAF list was the formal list for the TdF at the time, please accept my apologies.
It is, but as far as I understand it the IOC banned list seems to have been the de-facto banned list for sport generally, hence WADA taking it over. Pretty sure UCI would take their lead from that list, especially as cycling seems to have been an early adopter of our friend Edgar.

Delftse Post - can you source that 1990 reference? Would be interested to see if the 1992 date is innacurate.
 
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