Armstrong charged and banned

[yello]

Does there have to be a statement from LA himself, has Judge Sparks said so? Seems to me he would have mentioned it, if it was required.

As I said, no idea. Just conjecture from elsewhere.

We ought keep in mind that we don't know whether Sparks considered any of the document for evidential value.... he just threw it back saying 'summarise'.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

Another classic here...

http://cache.abovethelaw.com/uploads/2011/08/Sam-Sparks-kindergarteners-order.pdf

That's great...

Bring a sack lunch and toothbrush in case the party runs late!

 

[Crackle]

Another classic here...

http://cache.abovethelaw.com/uploads/2011/08/Sam-Sparks-kindergarteners-order.pdf

I found a number of his orders last night when I was looking for the Armstrong one. Shame I didn't stop to read any, only the titles. Armstrong got off lightly it seems.

 

[Crackle]

It is a really good question! No idea in truth but I'd guess we can assume they cannot perform a role as a sports or team doctor to any USADA affiliated sport in the USA. Beyond that, no idea!

I don't know if that ban automatically extends worldwide courtesy of WADA affiliation, or whether it has to be ratified by WADA first. Equally, and in terms of cycling, I don't know if UCI have also (or can also) ban them, or it would necessarily follow from a WADA ban. My guess (and it is a guess) is that whilst each separate body has to formally make the judgement for themselves that is effectively a rubber stamping of the USADA decision.

One of the things I am really interested to see is just how UCI respond should Armstrong be sanctioned.

According to Cycling news http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ferrari-del-moral-and-marti-banned-for-life-in-us-postal-case

"The bans will preclude all three men from having any involvement in sports which are signatories to the WADA code."

 

[Chuffy]

Chuffy - see para headed "New Challenges"...

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/About-WADA/History/A-Brief-History-of-Anti-Doping/

Ta.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

I can't help noticing a distinct lack of explanations and/or excuses from Lance's fans here...

 

[Chuffy]

According to Cycling news http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ferrari-del-moral-and-marti-banned-for-life-in-us-postal-case

"The bans will preclude all three men from having any involvement in sports which are signatories to the WADA code."

Ferrari was already banned in Italy - didn't stop Pozzato and several others as yet unidentified.

 

[yello]

Lance Armstrong's Lawyer Says He Is "Certain To Lose" His Doping Case

 

[Crackle]

Ferrari was already banned in Italy - didn't stop Pozzato and several others as yet unidentified.

I imagine if you're working outside the system, then the system formally expelling you doesn't cause you much trouble. Bruyneel however will feel very differently.

What I'm getting from this is that unless it goes to a formal hearing we may not initially see what evidence USADA has. Now in Armstrong's position, which is the lesser of two evils, take the ruling and keep it all a closed book or contest it and wash your laundry in public. Now I said initially, because I'm pretty sure that there is going to be a bit of a queue forming of people wanting to sue Armstrong for monies he's received and/or cases he's previously won, at which point we may learn a lot more but right now, we may not, which strikes me as being very unsatisfying.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Funny how the circle forms, isn't it? When Greg Lemond retired in 1994 he was the only American to have won the Tour de France. By '99 two Americans had won it. In 2006 that went up to three Americans. Now in 2012 we will probably be back to the stage where Greg Lemond is the only American to have won the Tour de France

 

[yello]

from the Associated Press report....

Armstrong was granted his five-day extension while he files his court case. USADA indicated that Armstrong's former team manager Johan Bruyneel, who also has been charged, has told USADA he will challenge the case in arbitration.

So Bruyneel's chosen to challenge. I wonder if that means we'll see the evidence?

 

[raindog]

At least today's news has pushed the Sky thread down a few places in TheClinic.

 

[Red Light]

So Ferrari, Del Moral and Marti have accepted the charges of supplying and administering drugs to US Postal, so it's difficult to see how LA and JB can continue to contest and deny. Or am I missing something?

"USADA CEO Travis Tygart confirmed to Cyclingnews that Ferrari, Del Moral and Marti accepted their lifetime bans. "The respondents chose not to waste resources by moving forward with the arbitration process, which would only reveal what they already know to be the truth of their doping activity."

i suspect that none of them expects to be active in cycling again so the ban has no real impact, that it would cost a lot of money to run a defence in the USA from Europe and they just did not think it worth the cost or effort to contest it. The cost pretty much bankrupted Landis.

 

[lukesdad]

I can't help noticing a distinct lack of explanations and/or excuses from Lance's fans here...

Your point being ?...self gratification their illusions have been shattered ?

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Your point being ?...self gratification their illusions have been shattered ?

The only point being that it is looking pretty bad for Lance and even the fans must realise it now.