Are we being forced to go electric?

[MrGrumpy]

Taxation incentives do help with the uptake 'though

The Norwegian EV incentives:​

• No purchase/import tax on EVs (1990-2022). From 2023 some purchase tax based on the cars’ weight on all new EVs.
• Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001-2022). From 2023, Norway will implement a 25 percent VAT on the purchase price from 500 000 Norwegian Kroner and over
• No annual road tax (1996-2021). Reduced tax from 2021. Full tax from 2022.
• No charges on toll roads (1997- 2017).
• No charges on ferries (2009- 2017).
• Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018)
• Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2018-2022). From 2023 70%
• Free municipal parking (1999- 2017)
• Access to bus lanes (2005-). New rules allow local authorities to limit the access to only include EVs that carry one or more passengers (2016-)
• 25% reduced company car tax (2000-2008). 50 % reduced company car tax (2009-2017). Company car tax reduction reduced to 40% (2018-2021) and 20 percent from 2022.
• Exemption from 25% VAT on leasing (2015-)
• The Norwegian Parliament decided on a national goal that all new cars sold by 2025 should be zero-emission (electric or hydrogen) (2017).
• «Charging right» for people living in apartment buildings was established (2017-)
• Public procurement: From 2022 cars needs to be ZEV. From 2025 the same applies to city buses

From https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/

All got to be paid for by someone !

 

[vickster]

All got to be paid for by someone !

Or something ... which somewhat ironically is oil and gas in the case of Norway, which has made the country with a population of under 5m incredibly wealthy (and continues to do so)

 

[MrGrumpy]

Or something ... which somewhat ironically is oil and gas in the case of Norway, which has made the country with a population of under 5m incredibly wealthy (and continues to do so)

Yep oil bad renewables good .

 

[vickster]

Yep oil bad renewables good .

Oil good if helps fund EVs in Norway

 

[Alex321]

Well I don’t recall a fuel station being discussed for us who drive “bad” cars

That doesn't answer the question, unless you are saying there "shouldn't be" because they aren't installing fuel stations in workplace car parks, so shouldn't install EV chargers. Which is no reason at all.

 

[Jenkins]

The counter argument, my Tesla can do 0-60 in sub 4 secs, no landrover can do that.

Just out of interest, what are you going to do with the extra 4 or 5 seconds you've gained over the average car getting to 60mph and how often do you need to get to 60mph that fast?

This also aplies to drivers of high performace ICE drivers as well, just to show I'm not being anti-EV.

 

[Jenkins]

That doesn't answer the question, unless you are saying there "shouldn't be" because they aren't installing fuel stations in workplace car parks, so shouldn't install EV chargers. Which is no reason at all.

I wonder if @MrGrumpy means free chargers, rather than paid for ones. We have 3 charge points at work for the PHEVs we have, but a new recruit thought they had been provided for personal vehicles and started to use them for his VW hybrid. It was pointed out that free diesel/petrol wasn't provided to all the other people who drove to work, so why would they provide free electricity for him.

 

[Alex321]

I wonder if @MrGrumpy means free chargers, rather than paid for ones. We have 3 charge points at work for the PHEVs we have, but a new recruit thought they had been provided for personal vehicles and started to use them for his VW hybrid. It was pointed out that free diesel/petrol wasn't provided to all the other people who drove to work, so why would they provide free electricity for him.

I wuld agree that it would be unfair to provide free charging, but I suspect most workplace chargers expect you to pay to use them.

 

[Mike_P]

Report on EV mounted solar panel charging https://www.forbes.com/sites/billroberson/2022/11/30/why-doesnt-every-electric-car-have-solar-panels.

 

[KnittyNorah]

Report on EV mounted solar panel charging https://www.forbes.com/sites/billroberson/2022/11/30/why-doesnt-every-electric-car-have-solar-panels.

Interesting, I wonder if a fold-out solar charging panel could be fitted to an e-bike? Ride out on a nice sunny day, and while lazing somewhere over a pub lunch or coffee-and-cakes, recharge the battery to help with the homeward journey...

 

[CXRAndy]

Just out of interest, what are you going to do with the extra 4 or 5 seconds you've gained over the average car getting to 60mph and how often do you need to get to 60mph that fast?

This also aplies to drivers of high performace ICE drivers as well, just to show I'm not being anti-EV.

I don't allocate those extra seconds to anything,

it provides me with

rapid acceleration to help me merge onto fast dual carriageways, quick overtakes when safe to do so. Highway code 163 even mentions completing the overtake as fast as possible.

I also find those who hassle me tend to back off tailgating if I briefly demonstrate the awesome might of an EV's acceleration

 

[Dadam]

I wuld agree that it would be unfair to provide free charging, but I suspect most workplace chargers expect you to pay to use them.

Ours are free. It’s a perk and to encourage people toward EVs.

I wuld agree that it would be unfair to provide free charging, but I suspect most workplace chargers expect you to pay to use them.

Why would it be unfair? Is it unfair on people who can’t ride a bike to provide racks, or a tax free bike purchase scheme?

 

[CXRAndy]

The companies I know who have EV charging at work, vary from free to use for anyone who works there to allocated NFC tags so each person is billed for what they use. I think if you're not doing company work miles then you should pay to top up your vehicle. Its more of a convenience benefit than getting free electric.

 

[Alex321]

Ours are free. It’s a perk and to encourage people toward EVs.


Why would it be unfair? Is it unfair on people who can’t ride a bike to provide racks, or a tax free bike purchase scheme?

Unfair because it is subsidising those who choose EVs over those who can't (or won't), by paying for their fuel.

It is arguable that the tax free bike purchase schemes are unfair on those who for whatever reason can't use a bike to commute. But those schemes are government sponsored, they don't cost the employer much at all.

 

[figbat]

Unfair because it is subsidising those who choose EVs over those who can't (or won't), by paying for their fuel.

It is arguable that the tax free bike purchase schemes are unfair on those who for whatever reason can't use a bike to commute. But those schemes are government sponsored, they don't cost the employer much at all.

How far do you take it? Childcare schemes and parental leave are unfair on those who can’t or don’t have children.

For now, providing car charging at work is not considered to be BIK so does not attract any tax or other consequences, so employers and employees are taking advantage of it. Like other EV incentives, no doubt this will change in time once adoption is at a mainstream level.

I used to get free charging at work but now have to pay a rate not dissimilar to my home tariff, so I only use it when it is convenient for battery level.