Are we being forced to go electric?

[icowden]

And yet driver/owner surveys show Tesla as a brand with low reliability, poor build quality and a high rate of safety recalls.
(19 in the States for the Model 3).

That's chalk and cheese. None of the recalls actually involved a recall. Just a quick software update. Build quality has improved hugely - they did go through some issues with the first few batches of Model 3s, but I think those have been ironed out now.

If you measure reliability in terms of stuff actually breaking down or making the car undriveable, EVs are far more reliable than those explosion driven cars.

 

[Jameshow]

What are Tesla made of??

The original was a lotus Elise mule.

Did they stick with a chassis and GRP?
.or a aluminium chassis or a pressed steel body.

Will be interesting if the police start using them after BMW exit. Battery range at 120mph??
X5 cannot be good either 20mpg I'd guess!

 

[classic33]

That's chalk and cheese. None of the recalls actually involved a recall. Just a quick software update. Build quality has improved hugely - they did go through some issues with the first few batches of Model 3s, but I think those have been ironed out now.

If you measure reliability in terms of stuff actually breaking down or making the car undriveable, EVs are far more reliable than those explosion driven cars.

I'd not call a loss of steering, or potential loss of steering minor. Even if it was a "software glitch".

https://www.thestreet.com/automotive/tesla-recalls-40000-vehicles-for-possible-huge-problem

 

[cougie uk]

Meanwhile 200 years of petrol cars and they're still killing their drivers.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/3...ficer's BMW patrol car,fire in the N57 engine.

 

[classic33]

Meanwhile 200 years of petrol cars and they're still killing their drivers.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/3...ficer's BMW patrol car,fire in the N57 engine.

Where does the 200 years of petrol cars come from?
We've yet to pass the 150 year mark.

 

[CXRAndy]

I'd not call a loss of steering, or potential loss of steering minor. Even if it was a "software glitch".

https://www.thestreet.com/automotive/tesla-recalls-40000-vehicles-for-possible-huge-problem

Possible-no known incidences of accident

So rare instances of reduced power steering assist. Resolved with over the air software update

 

[CXRAndy]

What are Tesla made of??

The original was a lotus Elise mule.

Did they stick with a chassis and GRP?
.or a aluminium chassis or a pressed steel body.

Will be interesting if the police start using them after BMW exit. Battery range at 120mph??
X5 cannot be good either 20mpg I'd guess!

X5 will be single digits for economy at 120mph.

I know my model S was going through the battery when I was flying up the Autobahns at 125mph

I remember covering 120 miles in an hour on my FJR some years ago. That almost emptied a full tank.

 

[CXRAndy]

Model S has an aluminium chassis

Model 3 and Y are mostly steel chassis, with the major rear section pressed in one piece with mega mold press. No other company had done this until Tesla, now the likes of BMW VW are copying this technique.

 

[cougie uk]

Where does the 200 years of petrol cars come from?
We've yet to pass the 150 year mark.

Someone's talked of two centuries of them earlier in the thread. I might be guilty of rounding up.

 

[icowden]

I'd not call a loss of steering, or potential loss of steering minor. Even if it was a "software glitch".

https://www.thestreet.com/automotive/tesla-recalls-40000-vehicles-for-possible-huge-problem

Not a recall, just a minor software issue:-

As of Nov. 1, Tesla said, 97% of the recalled vehicles have installed a new update that addresses the issue, and no further action is necessary from those owners.

 

[icowden]

I'd not call a loss of steering, or potential loss of steering minor. Even if it was a "software glitch".
https://www.thestreet.com/automotive/tesla-recalls-40000-vehicles-for-possible-huge-problem

So multiple minor software glitches have been fixed with no impact to owners.

Let's compare that to ICE cars:-
https://www.vw.com/en/recalls.html

Make an appointment to fix your VW Golf / Passat / CC or EOS airbag?
Same recall for Mercedes along with a Diesel issue and refrigerant issue.

Or how about BMW:-
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/bmw-car-suv-recall-for-fire-risk-a7575072484/
100,000 cars recalled for a fire risk and had to go to the dealer for a fix.

Tesla are not in the same league as these guys. A seatbelt issue, a window closing issue and a small steering issue - all fixed with software updates.

 

[classic33]

Not a recall, just a minor software issue:-

Still outstanding, so not all fixed yet.

Tesla, the manufacturer, called it a recall. Odd if they're wrong.

 

[icowden]

Still outstanding, so not all fixed yet.
Tesla, the manufacturer, called it a recall. Odd if they're wrong.

No - they referred to it as a recall as the US Government class it as such. Musk has been quite outspoken on this point - criticising the classification as a "recall" when no actual recall is needed.

 

[icowden]

No - they referred to it as a recall as the US Government class it as such. Musk has been quite outspoken on this point - criticising the classification as a "recall" when no actual recall is needed.

It is 100% fixed, but 3% of owners haven't downloaded the update for whatever reason.

The carmaker's chief executive, billionaire Elon Musk, has vigorously defended the company against accusations it is reneging on its safety obligations and does not take the matter seriously, insisting the company goes further than needed by regulators. Musk has also objected to the term “recall” for the issues, describing the phrase as outdated as cars can often be fixed with a software update rather than physical trip to shop.

Tesla have had to physically recall 31,427 cars - less than 1% of the total USA recall population. Recalls have included a single car which was missing a reinforcement bracket in the second row of seating.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-recall-2022-breakdown-misconceptions/#:~:text=Six%20of%20Tesla's%20nineteen%20recalls,United%20States%2C%20NHTSA%20data%20shows.

Ford is the automaker with the most recalls - and they aren't software fixes.

 

[classic33]

It is 100% fixed, but 3% of owners haven't downloaded the update for whatever reason.

Tesla have had to physically recall 31,427 cars - less than 1% of the total USA recall population. Recalls have included a single car which was missing a reinforcement bracket in the second row of seating.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-recall-2022-breakdown-misconceptions/#:~:text=Six%20of%20Tesla's%20nineteen%20recalls,United%20States%2C%20NHTSA%20data%20shows.

Ford is the automaker with the most recalls - and they aren't software fixes.

Still 3% involved in the recall that haven't been fixed.

And none of the manufacturers like having a recall listed against them.