Are we being forced to go electric?

[icowden]

Burning wood pellets counts as "renewables" even though as you say, it is not clean. That was James' point about Drax & similar.

And why I didn't count it. Wood pellets are obscene.

 

[biggs682]

C'mon now, doesn't everybody have a 'mid range' car on their drive?

Talk about 'out of touch'!

12 year old Nissan Note hear

 

[FishFright]

What isn't how polluting works?

See above

 

[vickster]

Not really. But if you only drive it locally you can get a second hand Nissan Leaf for not much more. As we have said. There isn't really a second hand market at the moment for EVs as they are almost all new in relative terms. A 3K Ford Ka is from about 2012 / 2013. You won't find many EVs about from 2012/2013 as global EV sales mean there were only about 400,000 EVs in the world. In 2021 we bought almost 7 million EVs. In 2022 it is expected the figure will increase to 10 million.

The second hand market will start to grow and in another 5 years will probably be thriving.

Could you have afforded your EV if wasn't a company car? I.e. been in a situation comparable to much of the population who don't have access to essentially subsidised EVs?

Norway might have lots of EVs which are cheaper...however there are only around 5m Norwegians and much of their immense wealth to be able to provide cheaper EVs and infrastructure comes from oil to the tune of approx $540bn in 2022 (ironic?)...

Interested to know how does the UK compares on the EV front to other EU countries with a similar population (France, Italy, Germany, Spain?) or GDP per capita (Norway USD 89k, UK 46k, France 43k, Germany 51k)

 

[Sallar55]

Different kind of pollution and battery research is trying to move away from LIthium.

Let's hope that all of today's EV drivers are forced to pay for the clean up of that different pollution. ( it's not in my back yard so who cares attitude) . 🤔

 

[MrGrumpy]

Could you have afforded your EV if wasn't a company car? I.e. been in a situation comparable to much of the population who don't have access to essentially subsidised EVs?

not many driving any new cars could afford them unless a company car !

 

[vickster]

not many driving any new cars could afford them unless a company car !

Or on the never never or subsidised in some other way by an employer

 

[MrGrumpy]

Just read this on twitter “ EVs were designed to save the car industry not the planet “

Probably fair comment really !

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Strictly speaking, petrol is a renewable.

Just a question of timescales.

 

[Alex321]

See above

So do I presume from that you don't have an answer, or just that you are too rude to provide one?

Because that most certainly isn't remotely close to answering my question.

 

[Alex321]

Interested to know how does the UK compares on the EV front to other EU countries with a similar population (France, Italy, Germany, Spain?) or GDP per capita (Norway USD 89k, UK 46k, France 43k, Germany 51k)

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/electric-vehicles/chart-which-countries-buy-the-most-evs

According to that, France are almost identical to the UK at 19% of new vehicle sales, Germany are higher at 26%, Italy & Spain much lower at 9% and 8%.

Only Norway and Iceland are above 50%.

 

[classic33]

In the 1st world we have passed over the pollution to the source, example lithium extraction. https://www.euronews.com/green/2022...s-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-future

They're not the cause of that, therefore it doesn't count as EV pollution

 

[Jameshow]

They're not the cause of that, therefore it doesn't count as EV pollution

If they didn't have massive lithium batteries there would be the lithium pollution or child exploitation..

 

[CXRAndy]

Lithium is used more in other industries by a factor of 200% compared to EV batteries.

Australia is the biggest lithium supplier in the world

Lithium comprises a tiny percentage of the chemistry make of a EV battery

 

[Arrowfoot]

Could you have afforded your EV if wasn't a company car? I.e. been in a situation comparable to much of the population who don't have access to essentially subsidised EVs?

Norway might have lots of EVs which are cheaper...however there are only around 5m Norwegians and much of their immense wealth to be able to provide cheaper EVs and infrastructure comes from oil to the tune of approx $540bn in 2022 (ironic?)...

Interested to know how does the UK compares on the EV front to other EU countries with a similar population (France, Italy, Germany, Spain?) or GDP per capita (Norway USD 89k, UK 46k, France 43k, Germany 51k)

This the point that some are struggling to grasp. I am sure people are aware of EV and its pluses but price and affordability are issues in comparison to ICE. So pointless to say that Norway is big on it and my family has 3 EV cars and we have been using it for the last 7 years.