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CXRAndy

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Chislenko said:
Just a technical question.

If you charge at home on your drive do the connections "lock in" to your car or can scallies come along and unplug them "just for a laugh"
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Yes they lock onto the car. If you get a tethered lead, this is hard wired into the charger end. You can get Chargers with keys to turn off the power when not in use, so no one sneaks a quick charge. Sophisticated chargers have NFC or keycodes to limit access to authorised users.

Obviously best situation is inside a building or behind a gated drive
 
cougie uk

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Yes my lead locks into the car and I have to blip the car to get the lead out.
Tethered chargers are the best for me - especially if you're charging the car most nights.
I just have a timer on my lead so even if anyone was cheeky enough to park on my drive for a charge - they wouldn't get anything unless they were waiting til half past midnight.
 
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Chislenko said:
Just a technical question.
If you charge at home on your drive do the connections "lock in" to your car or can scallies come along and unplug them "just for a laugh"
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As @cougie uk said they lock. The other myth that comes up is that you can drive off and forget to unplug. You can't. The car won't go anywhere with a charger attached. It will just tell you and make a disappointed noise.

I have a Zappi charger and a ring doorbell. I can lock the Zappi using my mobile, or put a pin code on it, and my Ring would show anyone reversing onto my driveway.
 
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cougie uk

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icowden said:
As @gzoom said they lock. The other myth that comes up is that you can drive off and forget to unplug. You can't. The car won't go anywhere with a charger attached. It will just tell you and make a disappointed noise.
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Just as well as we have seen YouTube clips of muppets driving away from petrol stations and dragging the pump with them...
Another plus for EV's over ICE !
 
MrGrumpy

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cougie uk said:
Just as well as we have seen YouTube clips of muppets driving away from petrol stations and dragging the pump with them...
Another plus for EV's over ICE !
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You make it sound like an every day thing ? Seriously I’ve never seen it in my 30 odd years of driving ? Miss fuelling , for sure as I’m guilty of it once but not driving off with the pump connected ?? How can that be possible , even pay at the pump ??
 
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MrGrumpy said:
You make it sound like an every day thing ? Seriously I’ve never seen it in my 30 odd years of driving ? Miss fuelling , for sure as I’m guilty of it once but not driving off with the pump connected ?? How can that be possible , even pay at the pump ??
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It’s mostly an American thing where they can still put the pump in, click the lever to start pumping and then walk away, expecting the auto cut-off to do its thing. You used to be able to do it here but not for yonks.
 
icowden

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MrGrumpy said:
It’s the only reason to buy a Tesla , the charging network is second to none . The others are Gladys knight!
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Ah - I misread your post. I thought that you were saying that there was no point going EV as Tesla has the best network and you didn't want a Tesla!

Not sure it's the only reason to buy a Tesla though. They are miles ahead of other EVs. I love my ID4 but the UI is slow and quite annoying compared to the beauty and simplicity of the Tesla interface, and it lacks in sophistication. For example, the ID4 will give me animated lights and unlock itself when I approach which is cool, but if I get out and walk away, it won't lock itself. It has cameras all round but can't use them to protect the car or record dashcam footage. I can't even balance the audio between the in car radio and bluetooth audio - if i switch to in car from android auto my eardrums get blasted.
 
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icowden said:
Ah - I misread your post. I thought that you were saying that there was no point going EV as Tesla has the best network and you didn't want a Tesla!

Not sure it's the only reason to buy a Tesla though. They are miles ahead of other EVs. I love my ID4 but the UI is slow and quite annoying compared to the beauty and simplicity of the Tesla interface, and it lacks in sophistication. For example, the ID4 will give me animated lights and unlock itself when I approach which is cool, but if I get out and walk away, it won't lock itself. It has cameras all round but can't use them to protect the car or record dashcam footage. I can't even balance the audio between the in car radio and bluetooth audio - if i switch to in car from android auto my eardrums get blasted.
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The network is the selling point , possibly the range but I’ve seen nicer looking EVs , eg the Kia Evo but it might be junk who knows ?!

On the same subject of chargers, someone in the flats in our estate has asked the committee to consider fitting a charging point in one of the private parking bays !! Not possible ! Should have thought of that before buying an EV !!
 
icowden

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MrGrumpy said:
The network is the selling point , possibly the range but I’ve seen nicer looking EVs , eg the Kia Evo but it might be junk who knows ?!
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It's about the way you use them more than the looks IMHO.

MrGrumpy said:
On the same subject of chargers, someone in the flats in our estate has asked the committee to consider fitting a charging point in one of the private parking bays !! Not possible !
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I doubt that it is "not possible" - it's more likely that it's not something they want to do (yet).
 
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MrGrumpy said:
The network is the selling point , possibly the range but I’ve seen nicer looking EVs , eg the Kia Evo but it might be junk who knows ?!

On the same subject of chargers, someone in the flats in our estate has asked the committee to consider fitting a charging point in one of the private parking bays !! Not possible ! Should have thought of that before buying an EV !!
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Well yes it does indicate some lack of planning! :biggrin:
However I'd challenge "not possible". They're going to have to fit them sooner or later or they'll struggle to sell/rent those flats!
 
CXRAndy

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I heard a very interesting statistic.

Tesla has 8 times the profit of Toyota. Which you think wow, but when you read this, it really makes you understand how Tesla have used vertical integration, streamlined their models and used OTA software to upgrade vehicles without massive dealer networks

Tesla reported $3.29 billion in net profit last quarter compared to Toyota earning 434.2 billion yen (roughly $3.15 billion USD). That’s despite Toyota delivering almost eight times more cars than Tesla during the same time.
 
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CXRAndy said:
I heard a very interesting statistic.

Tesla has 8 times the profit of Toyota. Which you think wow, but when you read this, it really makes you understand how Tesla have used vertical integration, streamlined their models and used OTA software to upgrade vehicles without massive dealer networks

Tesla reported $3.29 billion in net profit last quarter compared to Toyota earning 434.2 billion yen (roughly $3.15 billion USD). That’s despite Toyota delivering almost eight times more cars than Tesla during the same time.
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That is 8 times the profit per car sold, not 8 times the profit overall.
 
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