Are we being forced to go electric?

[KnittyNorah]

So essentially very cheap self-driving cars would be a godsend to those with mobility issues.

Yes they would. Don't forget, though, that people with mobility issues are each just as different in their requirements as everyone else in the world, with the addition of different requirements for different mobility issues. As long as these cheap autonomous vehicles are accessible to the majority of people with mobility issues, as well as affordable, they'll be an excellent solution for many people, but the accessibility might well be the sticking point.

 

[gbb]

I just watched an advert for some EV or other and in that moment, I realised why I, and as an extension of that, why perhaps many are dubious, anti, suspicious...because there's a massive inequality with them. I will never, ever be able to charge one from my house, as is the case for millions. And as such, I will always and forever be denied a cheap way of operating them. Solar panels, even if I had them would be useless, I cannot use it to charge a car
That creates such a deep inequality that I don't see how it can be overcome. I would always have to pay more to run a car....as would millions.

 

[icowden]

I just watched an advert for some EV or other and in that moment, I realised why I, and as an extension of that, why perhaps many are dubious, anti, suspicious...because there's a massive inequality with them. I will never, ever be able to charge one from my house, as is the case for millions. And as such, I will always and forever be denied a cheap way of operating them.

This is the next problem to solve. Companies are already working at it. This is Pod-point's take:
https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/electric-car-no-driveway

SO you *can* own an EV without a driveway.

 

[icowden]

Perhaps it’s just me but I do feel we have gone a little off topic from electric cars to public transport; blue badges etc.

The topic is "are we being forced to go electric". Public transport is part of that argument. If we don't have good public transport we need a car, and if we need a car...

 

[cougie uk]

I just watched an advert for some EV or other and in that moment, I realised why I, and as an extension of that, why perhaps many are dubious, anti, suspicious...because there's a massive inequality with them. I will never, ever be able to charge one from my house, as is the case for millions. And as such, I will always and forever be denied a cheap way of operating them. Solar panels, even if I had them would be useless, I cannot use it to charge a car
That creates such a deep inequality that I don't see how it can be overcome. I would always have to pay more to run a car....as would millions.

Unless your employer had low cost charging?

My local authority has lampost charging. It's not fast but it's free.
Tesco has free charging too.

Let's face it though we are never going to get everyone on the same footing.

I'm sure there's lots of people who can't afford a car of any description.

 

[Jameshow]

I have a client with a electric mobility car who parks in Aldi and puts in 14kwh over the two hours he's in the car park. Has a number of free charging places he does it!

 

[classic33]

The topic is "are we being forced to go electric". Public transport is part of that argument. If we don't have good public transport we need a car, and if we need a car...

You have the option of walking, or maybe even cycling.

Cars are not "the" only option in all of this.

 

[gbb]

Unless your employer had low cost charging?

My local authority has lampost charging. It's not fast but it's free.
Tesco has free charging too.

Let's face it though we are never going to get everyone on the same footing.

I'm sure there's lots of people who can't afford a car of any description.

You'd (I'd) be hopefully that such schemes extend.
No, my employer doesn't.
Asda here for instance have charging points, they've been taped up for months, out of use.
Everyone who can afford a ICE car atm is on more or less the same footing, we all buy fuel at more or less the same price, the future with EVs could threaten that status quo. That should never be allowed to happen

There is a monumentally long way to go yet tbf.

 

[fossyant]

I've said this before, we need more city cars that are leccy, and affordable.

Took the Aygo into Manchester today. On a SUNDAY ! Parked up in a little space ! Our normal sized cars would have been an ass to park in the surface car park, and I am an anti door ding owner. My wife spotted two spaces that said 'small cars only' and said - 'who would park there - I said 'this'.... we parked in a normal space as the Merc driver missed the lines....

If someone can give us a leccy Aygo/C1 equivalent, at not stupid money, I'd buy.... Please Toyota/Pug/Citroen......

 

[KnittyNorah]

You have the option of walking, or maybe even cycling.

Cars are not "the" only option in all of this.

but not everyone who can't - for whatever reason - drive a car, can cycle or walk. Public transport is needed more than ever before if we are to seriously attempt to reduce the risk to the planet in a timely manner.

 

[CXRAndy]

but not everyone who can't - for whatever reason - drive a car, can cycle or walk. Public transport is needed more than ever before if we are to seriously attempt to reduce the risk to the planet in a timely manner.

That isnt going to happen anytime soon from central government.

Reduce car use, use the least polluting transport available for your needs, actively reduce your carbon footprint, insualtion, renewables etc. walk or cycle.

 

[youngoldbloke]

Unless your employer had low cost charging?

My local authority has lampost charging. It's not fast but it's free.
Tesco has free charging too.

Let's face it though we are never going to get everyone on the same footing.

I'm sure there's lots of people who can't afford a car of any description.

How long is free (or subsidised) charging going to continue? You cannot count on a parking space outside your own property - you have no right to anyway. Street lighting in my last village was at eaves level. A conservation area, hard enough to put in double glazing let alone 'pod-points'. I'm not against EVs but issues around charging need to be resolved.

 

[cougie uk]

How long is free (or subsidised) charging going to continue? You cannot count on a parking space outside your own property - you have no right to anyway. Street lighting in my last village was at eaves level. A conservation area, hard enough to put in double glazing let alone 'pod-points'. I'm not against EVs but issues around charging need to be resolved.

If the car doesn't ever move then it doesn't need charging.
If it's used then we just need to ensure it goes past or to charging points.
Workplaces. Shops. Attractions. Coffee shops.

It shouldn't be too difficult.


If you don't have an EV you probably won't have even noticed the numbers of chargers already here.

 

[Chislenko]

Some mixed reactions here about a trip to Anglesey.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowT...arging_points-Anglesey_North_Wales_Wales.html

 

[MrGrumpy]

Heard on the radio this morning , that running an EV could be more expensive than running ICE vehicle at the moment if using public charging !

Express was the only recent link I could find

https://www.express.co.uk/life-styl...ts-petrol-diesel-record-prices-more-expensive