Accie's fake Rolex.

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Accy cyclist

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Just remembered, I was tempted to say "well, at least they sent a watch"! "They could've sent just a box with something inside to weigh it down with, like when folk used to buy dodgy video and DVD players from someone they'd arranged to meet on a car park and when they get home there was a brick inside the box"!. But I thought it wise not to upset her even more!! :whistle:
 
Well technically the seller sells them as 'cloned', so she could play naive in her actions. I notice the seller has an actual address, not just an email address. So maybe she could pay them a visit.

Horton House, Rumford St, Liverpool L2 8SZ

Is it a genuine address though? Also if it is, why if they're selling dodgy 'goods' don't trading standards close them down I wonder. 🤔

A clone, with Rolex on the dial , is a fake. No ifs or buts about it.
 
I've just had one upset friend/neighbour on the phone. She said the watch arrived today and she's not happy with it. She said it's "not what I expected". Apparently she didn't order the one I linked before, instead she ordered this one. https://www.supertimestore.com/product-page/super-clone-yacht-master-everrose She told me that she's emailed them twice and sent a message to them via 'Ask Us Anything' method on their page. So far they haven't acknowledged her posts, let alone replied! I didn't want to upset her more by suggesting the sellers might be dodgy, instead saying they might have had today off as well as yesterday's bank holiday. Ah well, at least she didn't pay full wack for the watch! She told me she paid £239 as it was on offer due to it being a display model. I'm wondering where she stands now with customer/consumer rights etc? 🤔

Yup, this is the problem with the whole "champagne lifestyle on beer money" and "keeping up with the Joneses" thing. It does come back to bite you in the bum.

Not my thing by any means, but there are decent homages and lookalikeys from "proper" watchmakers with all the relevant recourse if you want to go down that road. Trouble is though, it won't have the desired brand name on them.
 

Accy cyclist

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A clone, with Rolex on the dial , is a fake. No ifs or buts about it.

You have the legal right to a refund if you’ve bought something that’s fake or counterfeit.

You can also report the seller to Trading Standards or report the seller for fraud. Trading Standards might take legal action against the seller, but they can’t help you to get your money back.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/c...ng-with-a-purchase/report-fake-or-counterfeit


Interesting. So you have a legal right to your money back, but no one will help you get it, so you have to hope the seller will do the decent thing. Which is highly unlikely.🤔
 

Accy cyclist

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I might be wrong, but wouldn't that only apply if you've bought something fake that's been passed off as real?

In this case, someone's bought a fake *knowing* it's a fake. IMHO that does move the goalposts somewhat.

Good point. My neighbour said last night that she's going to contact trading standards, if the seller doesn't reply later today. I haven't seen this watch yet, but she says it's ..well, I can't repeat it, but take it from me it's certainly non complimentary!! :okay:
 

Accy cyclist

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Classic case of Caveat Emptor, then...

I've just asked her if I can have a look at the watch. She hasn't replied yet, as she'll be in bed (obviously). If she lets me I'll take some photos and post them.
 

mustang1

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Rolex is one of the most hyped brands in the world and that leads to a lot of the inflated pricing we see on their watches. Cartier have a long history of making timepieces as jewellery whereas Rolex were functional tool watches. Different watches for different use cases.

In house movements is another thing hyped by many brands that isn’t really a benefit to the owner. Both Rolex, and their little brother Tudor, have had movement issues over the years. There are frequent reports of 32xx movements losing time after a couple of years and the date wheel issue haunted the Tudor GMT for several years. Tudor used ETA movements until moving to their own in house one some years ago and the change hasn’t been without its problems.

ETA now only supply movements within the Swatch Group of companies and have several very good movements.

The only truly interesting in house movements at the low to mid end of the market , for me anyway, are those developed by Omega with features like their co-axial escapement.

I would call Rolex a well-marketed brand. The hype comes from YouTube influencers who, over the last year or so, had titles like "why I will never buy a Rolex" which later manifested into "why did I buy the Rolex that I said I wasn't going to buy?".

This hype then frenzies upon itself causing more hype. You're right, Rolex has this the most and now people who cannot get a Rolex start thinking about Tudor.... "I heard it sthe sister brand of Rolex..." etc.

Those 32xx movements losing time after a couple of years: isn't that just because the movement requires a quick tune-up because it went out of COSC spec after a few years? The Tudor date problem, yeah that was a thing. But I don't expect Tudor to be perfect. Omega also had something going on with the 3861 in the Speedmaster (also a vicariously marketed watch) and was quickly fixed (within a year or two, same as Tudor's date problem).

Ps when you mentioned the truly in house movement at the low to medium end, I thought you was going to mention Seiko, that's where I roll with a Seiko 5, truly low end in-house stuff. :okay:
 

mustang1

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TBH though, the majority of Swiss brands, even the spendy ones, are what were called "emboitiers" i.e. they bought bits from the people who made them and then simply assembled the watches and put their own spin on them. Even a lot of what are considered in-house movements are bought in ebauches that have then been modified to spec. Or, in some cases, have been collaborative efforts, like the Gyromatic movements.

If you want something where everything is *genuinely* produced in-house, then look no further than Seiko. :biggrin:

OK, can't vouch for their modern stuff as I believe they now outsource some stuff to China, but it's certainly true of vintage. They were among the first to pioneer vertically integrated manufacture and automation, which is why they survived the 1970s far better than a lot of the Swiss makers. And if you look through the old back catalogues (a fascinating exercise), their ranges were far more varied and stylish than a lot of the Swiss stuff, offering a good mix of mechanical and quartz.

I think you really like watches and horology as do a bunch of people on this thread. You all should take a look at this excellent book by Rebecca Struthers:

The Hands of Time.
 

mustang1

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you'll need deep pockets for a Patek

I'm. It sure PP is better than Rolex, more of a, uhm, well, PP sets itself apart from its larger number of complications. I think I would rather prefer a Lange.

But for truly astronomical stuff, I would love to just hold a Roger Smith watch let alone afford a deposit for one. Btw, Roger wears a Rolex.
 

SpokeyDokey

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Long ago I decided that expensive branded watches no longer represented good vfm for me - they never did in truth, but I had convinced myself that they were worth every penny.

I have owned Omega, Rolex, TAG & Breitling and tbh the external build quality, as far as a day to day user like me goes, is no different to that of a few hundred pounds worth of Seiko, Tissot etc.

Yes, some movements are clever but really does it matter? Generally you can't see them anyway. Manual winders are a complete PITA to own, automatics need a rocker-box if you don't wear them every day and a quartz is a quartz - nothing special.

And none keep time as accurately as a GPS tool watch.

I can't see the point of having one tbh. Mrs SD has a nice Breitling which she wears every day - it has sentimental value and it is a nice looking thing in SS with gold rider tabs and strap link inserts but, it always needs adjusting to keep near to perfect time ditto date changes on several months per year.

My couple of hundred quids worth of Garmin just sorts itself out and updates everything via GPS each day.
 
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