A new steel gravel/touring bike

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wafter

I like steel bikes and I cannot lie..
Location
Oxford
You mean one of these? no through axles but sort of thing you are describing

https://www.oxfordbikeworks.co.uk/expedition

My son has the V Brake version, upgraded with Paul brakes.

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Close but no cigar - looks nice though :smile:



It seems that one bike fails to tick all the boxes (which is probably just as well) the closest off the shelf appears to be the Crust Romanceur; which I'd be sorely tempted by if they'd nailed a colour I liked on the current model year and the head angle wasn't a bit suspiciously steep..

The one below really appeals aesthetically; however they didn't do that colour in the disk brake / TA version..

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Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
Location
Inside my skull
You mean like Genesis (who’ve been at it for well over a decade) offerings?

https://genesisbikes.co.uk/product/genesis-croix-de-fer-20-vargn10810/VARGN10810/GN10810LG
 
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Punkawallah

Punkawallah

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I'm sure they're available; my CfF has some for a start :tongue:

I don't doubt you could spec such a thing from a custom builder; however sadly I tihnk that would be beyond my depths of my pockets..



Thanks - tigged frames with placcy forks though ;)



You didn't mention downtube shifters - that would be a bit of a stretch as most modern stuff will have STIs or bar end shifters..

The question was not about down tube shifters, the possible use for the frames led to the question.
 

wafter

I like steel bikes and I cannot lie..
Location
Oxford
Not lugged frame.

Ellis Briggs, Mercian or Bob Jackson would probably build you one?
To be fair I don't think lugs were mentioned in the OP; that was my stipulation.

Certainly it seems that the bulk of modern steel is TIG welded.


The question was not about down tube shifters, the possible use for the frames led to the question.
Ahh, cool. In that case the world is your oyster :smile:
 

Jameshow

Veteran
New steel gravel bikes are pretty common, tourers possibly less-so as it's probably one of the least "fashion forward" areas of cycling so presents very limited opportunity to push new tat onto the consumptive hoards.

Where IMO there is a gap would be more traditional frame geometries (most stuff now tends to have sloping top tubes; which have their practical advantages but IMO lack aesthetic appeal). Also I think there's a hole in the market fo retro-modern rando builds - personally I'd kill for a trad-styled lugged steel frame with provision for fat 650bs, through-axles and hydro discs.. but this would be super-niche and probably have next-to-no mass market appeal / commercial viability.

I got the OP and wafter mixed up my apologies!
 
You mean one of these? no through axles but sort of thing you are describing

https://www.oxfordbikeworks.co.uk/expedition

My son has the V Brake version, upgraded with Paul brakes.

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Interesting that the standard block is eight speed with an upgrade to nine speed. None of the 10,11 or 12 speed. I had a Surly LHT 9 speed which needed tweaking quite often. I have now moved to Rohloff.
 
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Punkawallah

Punkawallah

Über Member
planet x did a Rujo, but not stocked at moment, which ticks those boxes except lugged. Building lugged steel frames is quite niche nowadays- Battaglin?

its a bit of a weird OP, I'm not sure he's asking for recommendations IAE

Not recommendations, simply opinions, thanks.
 
Good morning,

In my mind the only hole in the market is for a good steel tourer at around £799-£999, a bit like a Raleigh Royal or Dawes Galaxy in their best versions.

However the only people who I could see being able to offer such a bike would be Boardman (Halfords) or Van Rysel (Decathlon). Trek used to offer the 520 and Specialized the Sequoia but they both seem to have disappeared suggesting that the market is pretty small.

Given this price range it would probably have to be generic 4130 Cr-Mo as Genesis do with Mjolnir, but possibly with a more generic label which doesn't suggest that the material is any more than it is.

The question in my mind is would the customer base accept a steel frame that doesn't have Reynolds or Columbus stickers, after all that is why we have Reynolds 520, a steel tube that hasn't seen the Reynolds building.

Yet if done well the new label could become as desired as the two mentioned brands, in the 1970s and pre the internet it was hard for many people to understand what something like 531 actually was, nowadays it is much easier.

Given the already existing retail base of Halfords and Decathlon they wouldn't need every size in every shop and they could offer racks and panniers as extras, somthing they already do to a degree.

If the, small in my mind, market could get over the base brand as Boardman managed to with their bikes initially they could easily have a long term good seller and unlike the "race" bikes there wouldn't be a need to change models yearly and offer discounts.

I suspect that the closer to £799 the better as at £999 you are getting close to offerings from SPA/SJS Cylces etc. But as a Carrera Vanquish still comes in under £500, £799 doesn't seem an unattainable retail price, especially if you expect to sell some extras as well.

I would be building the frames with external cable routing to allow for both D/T and STI/Bar End shifters. For me once you reach 9 speed the benefits of the extra sprockets starts to become negated by a reluctance to change gears with D/T, my Raleigh has moved from 8 speed D/T to 10 speed Di2 on the rear but still D/T front, the Di2 front mech doesn't seem to like my 600 series pre Ultegra chainset spacing.

Bye

Ian
 
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