13 year old father

[buggi]

just because you are able to physically, doesn't mean you are ready for it emotionally. i mean, the poor kid doesn't even know what the word "finances" is, and the mother just laughed childishly at this... unsurprisingly.

Really, i do think the parents of children like these should be held accountable. i mean, i wasn't even allowed to have boyfriends at that age, and yes, i know that "children will find a way if they want to" but it is up to ALL adults to have a little decency and try to control their children and their urges. My mum did a good enough job and she had six of us to cope with.

 

[Clive Atton]

And the moral of the story for all cretinous lads and under-age slappers? Have a shag, get pregnant and the consequences are:

The Police refuse to prosecute so you get off scot-free.

Social workers offer all the support you need.

The State coughs up cash and a house when you are legally old enough to leave home.

Max Clifford makes loads more money for you by flogging the story.

Where is the incentive to not get pregnant? The liberal do-gooders tell us that obviously they needed to be better informed, so what's next, sex education in kindergarten. Personally I think she should also be prosecuted for paedophilia as he looks several years younger than my ten year old son.

 

[Andy Pandy]

Personally I think she should also be prosecuted for paedophilia as he looks several years younger than my ten year old son.

If the gender was reversed, a 15 year old lad probably would have been charged with a sexual offense.

 

[Arch]

If the gender was reversed, a 15 year old lad probably would have been charged with a sexual offense.

Would he? I'm not being argumentative, I really don't know. The age of consent is still 16 for boys, I'm not sure how that fits in with age of criminal responsibility?

I'm not sure I'm in favour of automatically taking the baby away as a knee jerk reaction. The girl might be a good mother. But I'm not all that optimistic. The boy, if it is his, I feel is almost irrelevant in family terms - at that age he surely can't be mature enough to be a parent - it might be better if he was out of the picture.

What saddens me is that there are people out there paying thousands of pounds over and over in attempts to have their 'own' baby by IVF, when they could offer a wonderful adoptive home to babies in these circumstances. If the baby could be instantly adopted, rather than go into care, I'd be more in favour of removing it.

 

[Andy Pandy]

Would he? I'm not being argumentative, I really don't know.

It is difficult to say, but as a twelve year old girl can't consent, I think the CPS would have considered the extent to which the 15 year old boy knew he was doing something wrong. If they were both 15 or both 12 - no further action. However, if a 15 year old boy had gotten and 12 year old girl pregnant I think they would have taken some action against him.

 

[Arch]

It is difficult to say, but as a twelve year old girl can't consent, I think the CPS would have considered the extent to which the 15 year old boy knew he was doing something wrong. If they were both 15 or both 12 - no further action. However, if a 15 year old boy had gotten and 12 year old girl pregnant I think they would have taken some action against him.

So how does it apply in reverse, IE, older girl, younger boy? Can/would action be taken against her? Otherwise, it looks like the law assumes the girl is a passive partner...

 

[Andy Pandy]

Arch - I think the law and society consider an older female having sex with a younger boy as less harmful (and therefore warrants less intervention) than an older male having sex with a younger girl. Both would be criminal of offenses if the young person was under the age of 16, but the police would be more willing to take action when the victim was a female.

 

[Arch]

Arch - I think the law and society consider an older female having sex with a younger boy as less harmful (and therefore warrants less intervention) than an older male having sex with a younger girl. Both would be criminal of offenses if the young person was under the age of 16, but the police would be more willing to take action when the victim was a female.

That was sort of what I thought it might be. (As a woman myself), it seems a bit one sided. I'm quite willing to see men and women (or in this case girls and boys) as equally either manipulative or open to harm...

 

[Auntie Helen]

Although I agree with you in my rational brain, Arch, I still can't help feeling that people would be thinking 'well done, you!' to the 12 year old boy but thinking the 15 year old girl has been harmed. Maybe a very unfair difference in the way we perceive sexual activity among the sexes, or perhaps a throwback to schoolboy humour versus schoolgirl bitching?

 

[Cycling Naturalist]

That was sort of what I thought it might be. (As a woman myself), it seems a bit one sided. I'm quite willing to see men and women (or in this case girls and boys) as equally either manipulative or open to harm...

The way things work is that it is the male who gets prosecuted, not the girl. One case where the girl and the boy were both underage (I think they were 15) and it was the girl who had asked for sex, ended up in the European Court of Human Rights on the basis that convicting him and not prosectuting the girl was sex discrimination and therefore contrary to his human rights. He lost.

 

[Night Train]

Given they are both underage then it should be the parents who take responsibility, and the consequences of any legal action.

If I had done that at 13 my Dad would probably have wanted to removed my bits with a blunt knife to make sure I didn't do it again. Equally I wouldn't have had the inclination to even attempt to do anything at that age.

 

[Cycling Naturalist]

Given they are both underage then it should be the parents who take responsibility, and the consequences of any legal action.

If I had done that at 13 my Dad would probably have wanted to removed my bits with a blunt knife to make sure I didn't do it again. Equally I wouldn't have had the inclination to even attempt to do anything at that age.

At the risk of upsetting the progressives, I'd like to say that although I am all in favour of sex education for the young, it should be accompanied by a strong message that under age sex is not only illegal, but it can have dire consequences. Furthermore, it is not compulsory to have sex as soon as yoy know how to do it, any more than it is compulsory to drive a car at the age of 15 just because you've worked out how the clutch operates.

 

[tyred]

The responsibility for this IMO lies with the parents. A lot of children seem to grow up knowadays without any idea of the difference between right and wrong.

 

[Smokin Joe]

If the girl is under 13 and the male over, isn't it automatically classed as rape?

 

[Arch]

If the girl is under 13 and the male over, isn't it automatically classed as rape?

Under 16, as I understood, it, although if the male is also under 16, or only a very little older, it may be relaxed a bit... (I assume the reverse is also true for boys under 16...)