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CXRAndy

CXRAndy

Guru
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Lincs
The difference of riding in a pack and riding solo:

https://www.strava.com/activities/1798450928

https://www.strava.com/activities/1798491702

Fairly same overall effort, but a hell of a difference in speed.
My max was 300 watts less than that guy, but those peaks are usually out of corners, to stay with the pack. Alone, I could just go full gass round the corners, no need to accelerate.

It's mostly an age decline. The rider you list had a peak HR of 198, Ave 173bpm. So 26bpm swing,. Your HR swing 9bpm. Youngsters just have greater capacity.
 

Norry1

Legendary Member
Location
Warwick
I'm doing the 2.50 ZA Group Ride today if anybody fancies it. 2 - 2.5 w/kg
 

LBHIFI

Veteran
Location
Liseleje
It's mostly an age decline. The rider you list had a peak HR of 198, Ave 173bpm. So 26bpm swing,. Your HR swing 9bpm. Youngsters just have greater capacity.
Yeah, but still the max is not obtained at the hill. It's after rounding cornors where you have to sprint (depended of how far back in the pack you are).
If I had been a little further up from start, I might have been able to hang on. I feel a little dissapointed that I didn't try so close the gap with a sprint effort, but I gambled on others to close the gap.
 
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CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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Location
Lincs
The crit riders at our club, say it's mostly race craft and position to stay in the pack, once you have to fight to get on a wheel, you're in a world of problems
 

LBHIFI

Veteran
Location
Liseleje
The crit riders at our club, say it's mostly race craft and position to stay in the pack, once you have to fight to get on a wheel, you're in a world of problems
Yes, you can get a long way with race craft. The truth is that I'm just not willing to take the risk. The main goal for me is to to stay out of trouble and that means either stay in the front, go on a breakaway or stay at the back. I was no where near strong enough for the first 2 options. Of course, as it happended yesterday, you are vulnerable to gaps opening when staying at the back, but I'm usually strong enough to close those gaps.
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
Yes, you can get a long way with race craft. The truth is that I'm just not willing to take the risk. The main goal for me is to to stay out of trouble and that means either stay in the front, go on a breakaway or stay at the back. I was no where near strong enough for the first 2 options. Of course, as it happended yesterday, you are vulnerable to gaps opening when staying at the back, but I'm usually strong enough to close those gaps.

Just reading the posts and not actually watching the race this is the thing that I agree with Lars. It’s easy afterwards to say “maybe if I do this different” or “maybe if I do that different”. In English we call it ‘hindight’ But I don’t know if there is a Danish translation.
Basically you make a decision at the time. Would you make a different decision next time? Perhaps next time someone does pull you back to the group if you make the same decision, then you have strength at the end to make another move so it works well. Or maybe you put in the big power to recover yourself without help, but then you suffer for it later. I don’t think the decision you made is a bad one to be honest. It just didn’t work out this time. I’m not sure it should make you take a different decision next time with the same information. If you are feeling stronger next time then you make a different judgment because you have more options.
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
Carl;

Belt will slip when pushing down the power if tension pulley not set correctly....Quick job to adjust though
I've tried so many ways to get the tension right. Taken belt off and reset half a dozen times and just can't seem to get the bloody thing right. When not tight enough it slips with almost no power; now it is as tights as a ducks backside and still slips (I've tried to get it tighter and bent the pin!).
I'm doing the 2.50 ZA Group Ride today if anybody fancies it. 2 - 2.5 w/kg
I was debating doing that too so may be on the start line.
 
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CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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Location
Lincs
now it is as tights as a ducks backside and still slips (I've tried to get it tighter and bent the pin!).

Then it's either the wrong belt or something else. I would suspect the belt is the issue. But it requires cost to explore the issue
 
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CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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Location
Lincs
The truth is that I'm just not willing to take the risk

I understand that, and probably wouldn't do it myself.

I know a few club mates have cuts and grazes, broken bikes and even concussion from crit racing. In the heat of the moment, racing wheel to wheel and elbow to elbow
 

Brusgaard

Über Guru
Location
Skive, Denmark
Just reading the posts and not actually watching the race this is the thing that I agree with Lars. It’s easy afterwards to say “maybe if I do this different” or “maybe if I do that different”. In English we call it ‘hindight’ But I don’t know if there is a Danish translation.

I suppose you ment "hindsight", which in Danish translates into "I bagklogskabens (ulideligt) klare lys", meaning things you would/should have done with the knowledge you have now (afterwards).
 

Whorty

Gets free watts from the Atom ;)
Location
Wiltshire
Then it's either the wrong belt or something else. I would suspect the belt is the issue. But it requires cost to explore the issue
Could be, but i'm not willing to pay £50 to Wahoo for a belt that should only cost £6. When I can be bothered I'll get another belt from the link Bob put up and fit it, but I'm in no rush at the moment as it works absolutely fine at 40% reality for races, or on workouts, which is my main focus at the moment.
 
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CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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Location
Lincs
Could be, but i'm not willing to pay £50 to Wahoo for a belt that should only cost £6. When I can be bothered I'll get another belt from the link Bob put up and fit it, but I'm in no rush at the moment as it works absolutely fine at 40% reality for races, or on workouts, which is my main focus at the moment.

I'm guessing just a tad, but I suspect that being a cheap belt it is prone to stretch under heavy load, whereas the original is better quality and has a higher tensile strength. Difficult to compare without data specs of. others belts
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
I suppose you ment "hindsight", which in Danish translates into "I bagklogskabens (ulideligt) klare lys", meaning things you would/should have done with the knowledge you have now (afterwards).

Yes, in ‘I bagklogskabens (ulideligt) klare lys", I would of spelt hindsight correctly :smile:

I would also of copy pasted the danish translation rather than trying to re write it!
 
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