Zwift Chat

[alex_cycles]

I don’t think it’s possible to get PD absolutely right, but I think this is probably more realistic. There’s a few complaints, especially on the Zwift forum posts when it was being trialled, but I think these are coming either from people who’d learned to ride PD3 effectively, or just from guys who are going to moan whatever new solution is put in front of them.

Yep - that's my take on it too. Although when they first started experimenting there were a LOT of complaints about people getting spat out of the pack and then finding it impossible to get back. They tweaked it more after that.

I thought it was a bit tougher at the back. It definitely reduces churn in the pack, so you’re not continually flying off the front and then drifting to the back. I thought I had to apply power more consistently as a result and my pedalling felt smoother and more even through the ride.

I've found it a bit harder, but only tried it in Tiny races so far and those are not representative, being VO2max efforts.

It will change the way people ride and race, so I guess I’ll have a better view when I race next. I’m doing the TTT tomorrow so it’s going to be interesting to see how it affects that.

It will. I expect the people who have got really good at PD3 will moan like hell for a while until they find how best to play this iteration.

If I get back from London in time, I may jump on the new Zwift tour for April and try out PD4. I presume it's operational on all events now?

You can't get away from it now. It's global for everything.

https://zwiftinsider.com/update-1-34-0-109673/
Does the latest update including PS4 only affect PC users ,that's how I read it

No PD4 is a server-side function and is not related to the update. They said on the Zwift forums yesterday that it was only mentioned in the release notes because this change is happening at the same time as the new software version.

 

[Whorty]

Hope you like PD4 guys because it's global everywhere on Zwift now.

I've raced a couple of times with it, and confess I didn't see any difference. But then I tend to sit towards the front of groups and it looks like it's towards the back where the change may be more obvious.

Nice not to have the washing machine Churn at the front. Will make attacks worth the effort in future.

Note to anyone racing me .... if I'm at the back of a pack, I'm on my last legs and about to get dropped. If I'm towards the front of a pack, I'm still OK, despite what comments I make in the chat 😉

 

[Peter Salt]

In other news, I did some testing for the 'whale race'. Turns out Zwift tops your weight out at 200kg - you can put in more, but it won't take it into account.

So that's 1W/kg if you want to do 200W. At steady power, it took me about 7 minutes to complete the Glasgow crit course.

Any interest to do 5 laps of that route, at 200kg, sometime after Easter?

 

[mjd1988]

I‘ve ridden PD4 a couple of times this week, but only with the PacerBots.

I don’t think it’s possible to get PD absolutely right, but I think this is probably more realistic. There’s a few complaints, especially on the Zwift forum posts when it was being trialled, but I think these are coming either from people who’d learned to ride PD3 effectively, or just from guys who are going to moan whatever new solution is put in front of them.

I thought it was a bit tougher at the back. It definitely reduces churn in the pack, so you’re not continually flying off the front and then drifting to the back. I thought I had to apply power more consistently as a result and my pedalling felt smoother and more even through the ride.

If you drift off the back, you have to work a bit harder to get back on, but that’s what would happen out on the road. Also, the group doesn’t churn on the road and you’d be unlikely to try and supertuck in real life if you were surrounded by 50 other riders. Mind you, in real life you wouldn’t be trying to stay close to a translucent robot rider either!

It will change the way people ride and race, so I guess I’ll have a better view when I race next. I’m doing the TTT tomorrow so it’s going to be interesting to see how it affects that.

Yeah I'm just pleased to see them try new things. For most people it seems like a minor change which is a good thing and the groups of 80 people supertucking was always a bit mad! I think anything that encourages breakawaysakes things more realistic. I'm quite good at conserving and winning a bunch sprint but it's very samey!

 

[Legs]

I’m doing the TTT tomorrow so it’s going to be interesting to see how it affects that.

I'm also TTTing (for the first time in ages) with the AHDR Cheesecake Crew. I'm going to have my doors blown off...
These are our 20 minute powers:
JM: 449W, 5.3W/kg
AD: 446W, 5.0W/kg
IL: 337W, 5.0W/kg
NN: 277W, 5.0W/kg
MB: 349W, 4.6W/kg
DB: 321W, 4.5W/kg
me: 321W, 4.4W/kg

I think I could be up against it!

 

[bobinski]

I'm also TTTing (for the first time in ages) with the AHDR Cheesecake Crew. I'm going to have my doors blown off...
These are our 20 minute powers:
JM: 449W, 5.3W/kg
AD: 446W, 5.0W/kg
IL: 337W, 5.0W/kg
NN: 277W, 5.0W/kg
MB: 349W, 4.6W/kg
DB: 321W, 4.5W/kg
me: 321W, 4.4W/kg

I think I could be up against it!

Should be fun!
1 weighs less than 60 kilo's?

 

[Legs]

Should be fun!
1 weighs less than 60 kilo's?

Yep, he's a little Japanese fella!

 

[mjd1988]

I'm also TTTing (for the first time in ages) with the AHDR Cheesecake Crew. I'm going to have my doors blown off...
These are our 20 minute powers:
JM: 449W, 5.3W/kg
AD: 446W, 5.0W/kg
IL: 337W, 5.0W/kg
NN: 277W, 5.0W/kg
MB: 349W, 4.6W/kg
DB: 321W, 4.5W/kg
me: 321W, 4.4W/kg

I think I could be up against it!

449watts for 20 minutes?!

 

[Legs]

I know, right!?!

 

[Del C]

I'm also TTTing (for the first time in ages) with the AHDR Cheesecake Crew. I'm going to have my doors blown off...
These are our 20 minute powers:
JM: 449W, 5.3W/kg
AD: 446W, 5.0W/kg
IL: 337W, 5.0W/kg
NN: 277W, 5.0W/kg
MB: 349W, 4.6W/kg
DB: 321W, 4.5W/kg
me: 321W, 4.4W/kg

I think I could be up against it!

I think you should plan for a ‘hero pull’ just after half way. Let them know you gave it everything to fire them towards victory as you coast home and recover!

 

[Legs]

I think you should plan for a ‘hero pull’ just after half way. Let them know you gave it everything to fire them towards victory as you coast home and recover!

I was thinking of a bit sooner than that!

 

[CXRAndy]

The two big guys are gonna put you light riders under a bit of stress if it's a flat event. Even on the climbs that power is mighty strong

 

[Peter Salt]

I'm also TTTing (for the first time in ages) with the AHDR Cheesecake Crew. I'm going to have my doors blown off...
These are our 20 minute powers:
JM: 449W, 5.3W/kg
AD: 446W, 5.0W/kg
IL: 337W, 5.0W/kg
NN: 277W, 5.0W/kg
MB: 349W, 4.6W/kg
DB: 321W, 4.5W/kg
me: 321W, 4.4W/kg

I think I could be up against it!

449watts for 20 minutes?!

I know, right!?!

Imagine how much heat that must generate! I wonder what he uses for cooling.

Assuming 20% efficiency, that's 1,8kW of heat energy, generated for 20 minutes. You could cook your dinner with that!

 

[CXRAndy]

Boogie Woogie'd the night away on a river boat meal for my big day

 

[Norry1]

Boogie Woogie'd the night away on a river boat meal for my big day

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