Zwift Chat

[<Tommy>]

I wonder if steering will be added?

I asked him about that. He said read the article. I read it for the second time and it still didn’t jump out at me, but maybe I’m missing something.

I hope they haven’t missed their chance with the steering. There doesn’t seem to be any momentum for it anymore.

 

[Whorty]

Yep. I’ve planned a 100 mile 👍🏼 I’ve Put the summer bike away though. Don’t want the blame. 😂

I'm hoping for 50 ish miles, about 3 hours. First outdoor ride so not going to push too hard.

 

[CXRAndy]

I'm hoping for 50 ish miles, about 3 hours. First outdoor ride so not going to push too hard.

Nail it 2hr30

 

[Whorty]

Nail it 2hr30

Not on these roads; too hilly, too many dodgy sections, no drafting. Probably closer to 4 hours.

Just planned a route on Komoot and it's 55 miles, 3000ft of climbing and it thinks I'll be 4hrs 48 mins My target then will be 4 hours as not going to push too hard

 

[CXRAndy]

Just watch out, roads around me are like lunar surface. Crater sized potholes, not just on the edge. Probably the same across the country

Ride more primary to give you direction options when vehicles approach

 

[Whorty]

Just watch out, roads around me are like lunar surface. Crater sized potholes, not just on the edge. Probably the same across the country

Ride more primary to give you direction options when vehicles approach

Same here, roads are awful. Not great in my van, don't fancy hitting some of those holes on my bike.

 

[BurningLegs]

Anyone here listened to the latest TrainerRoad podcast and have any thoughts on their adaptive training announcement?

I really like the concept. The podcast was quite focussed on the machine learning capabilities and modified workouts but I think my favourite thing is the scoring of each of the seven power systems individually and workouts labelled for which system they target so you can train and watch gains in specific areas.

For anyone who haven’t seen/heard about this, TR are about to base their entire platform on machine learning to dynamically adjust workouts and plans. Their aim is for their software to respond like a coach would - spotting where you are underperforming or outperforming and changing your training accordingly. I can imagine software doing as well as a bad coach (and much cheaper), but a good coach will do so much that software can never do!

 

[bobinski]

I listened to it. Adaptive training is an interesting concept. A plan that responds to measurable fatigue, or missed rides should be an improvement on a prescriptive plan, almost akin to having a personal trainer. But unless I miss heard the announcement seems premature. They have a records base of a 100 million rides ?!? Yet, It doesn’t look like it’s ready to go for some months. It’s almost as if they announced it too early In response to the Dylan Johnson video. Anyway, I have signed up to the short list for the beta and may try it if given the opportunity.
That said, you guys will know I am a fan of Sufferfest. The 4dp test measures a lot of variables not just ftp to give you ,assuming the test is done properly, numbers across your performance range to inform the training plan you chose, crit, endurance etc. I didn’t hear anything that suggested there would be an improvement in the initial TR test that would do this and so provide a better base for the adaptive training. Suf are also working on adaptive training. It’s getting very interesting.
I reckon Martin is a good example of someone who has responded well to using a personal trainer. Perhaps he can be the CC Trainer road adaptive training guinea pig?😁

 

[BurningLegs]

Please post here when you hear any announcements from Sufferfest, @bobinski - I like this concept, regardless of which vendor.

The TR podcast/announcement did remind me of Sufferfest’s 4DP, but as I see it they’re fundamentally different because 4DP is measuring/reporting outcomes (20/5/1/0.5 min power) but TR will be measuring/reporting capabilities of different energy systems, not outcomes?

I agree on the announcement being early - it’s a closed beta, and I didn’t hear them commit to any planned date for general availability?!

 

[Whorty]

I listened to it. Adaptive training is an interesting concept. A plan that responds to measurable fatigue, or missed rides should be an improvement on a prescriptive plan, almost akin to having a personal trainer. But unless I miss heard the announcement seems premature. They have a records base of a 100 million rides ?!? Yet, It doesn’t look like it’s ready to go for some months. It’s almost as if they announced it too early In response to the Dylan Johnson video. Anyway, I have signed up to the short list for the beta and may try it if given the opportunity.
That said, you guys will know I am a fan of Sufferfest. The 4dp test measures a lot of variables not just ftp to give you ,assuming the test is done properly, numbers across your performance range to inform the training plan you chose, crit, endurance etc. I didn’t hear anything that suggested there would be an improvement in the initial TR test that would do this and so provide a better base for the adaptive training. Suf are also working on adaptive training. It’s getting very interesting.
I reckon Martin is a good example of someone who has responded well to using a personal trainer. Perhaps he can be the CC Trainer road adaptive training guinea pig?😁

For those who haven't been on CUK that long, here is a perspective on Martin's gains.

A couple of years ago Martin and I used to race together in C. In races we were almost on a par. Martin invested in a personal trainer. We no longer race together.

Evidence for me that focused, dedicated training works even at our age and level

 

[<Tommy>]

👆

I can’t think of anything that sucks the fun out of riding the bike more than what I’ve just read to be honest.

But each to their own of course! If that’s your idea of fun then why not.

 

[Norry1]

I listened to it. Adaptive training is an interesting concept. A plan that responds to measurable fatigue, or missed rides should be an improvement on a prescriptive plan, almost akin to having a personal trainer. But unless I miss heard the announcement seems premature. They have a records base of a 100 million rides ?!? Yet, It doesn’t look like it’s ready to go for some months. It’s almost as if they announced it too early In response to the Dylan Johnson video. Anyway, I have signed up to the short list for the beta and may try it if given the opportunity.
That said, you guys will know I am a fan of Sufferfest. The 4dp test measures a lot of variables not just ftp to give you ,assuming the test is done properly, numbers across your performance range to inform the training plan you chose, crit, endurance etc. I didn’t hear anything that suggested there would be an improvement in the initial TR test that would do this and so provide a better base for the adaptive training. Suf are also working on adaptive training. It’s getting very interesting.
I reckon Martin is a good example of someone who has responded well to using a personal trainer. Perhaps he can be the CC Trainer road adaptive training guinea pig?😁

You may remember I mentioned Xert a while ago. Xert does everything that TrainerRoad is now talking about. I tried it and found it interesting (in betweeen coaches) but I didn't stick with it. I know @Del C is trying Xert so it will be interesting to see what he thinks about it.

Much of what a coach will tell you, you already know but I find it very hard (read impossible) to stick to a self written plan whereas I will stick to a coach prescribed regime.

 

[<Tommy>]

You may remember I mentioned Xert a while ago. Xert does everything that TrainerRoad is now talking about. I tried it and found it interesting (in betweeen coaches) but I didn't stick with it. I know @Del C is trying Xert so it will be interesting to see what he thinks about it.

Much of what a coach will tell you, you already know but I find it very hard (read impossible) to stick to a self written plan whereas I will stick to a coach prescribed regime.

I think that’s my main critique really. It’s tough or unrealistic for most people to stick to these plans. The more focussed they are, the tougher it is to keep it up.

It’s not that I’m trying to sound negative. I just see people drop in and out of plans and I wonder if it’s not better to find something that’s more sustainable.

 

[Whorty]

👆

I can’t think of anything that sucks the fun out of riding the bike more than what I’ve just read to be honest.

But each to their own of course! If that’s your idea of fun then why not.

It's bimble day for me out in the real world (once the frost buggers off) ... definitely a day to go and have some fun in the sun

 

[bobinski]

You may remember I mentioned Xert a while ago. Xert does everything that TrainerRoad is now talking about. I tried it and found it interesting (in betweeen coaches) but I didn't stick with it. I know @Del C is trying Xert so it will be interesting to see what he thinks about it.

Much of what a coach will tell you, you already know but I find it very hard (read impossible) to stick to a self written plan whereas I will stick to a coach prescribed regime.

And even harder when balancing work, family life, fatigue- all those things that gnaw away at motivation. You have to find the training regime that works for you in the time you have or take a different route.

It will be no surprise to anyone that those who make the most gains do so while also riding outside. Which is why we all ride in the first place.