Would Joining a Cycling Club be Right For Me?

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On one ride we came across 2 cyclists trying to fix a puncture. Neither had a tube, pump etc. Five minutes we stayed and got no further towards repairing the hole. Then the ride leader decided we had no more time to stand around trying to sort it and left them there. I didn't know where the hell I was so had to leave with the club. How anyone can do that to another human is beyond me.

I’m confused. In the absence of pump and spare tubes how did the two expect to get home ? And after 5 minutes what further action do you think you and your clubmates could have taken ? If you felt so strongly about it could you not have offered one of your tubes ?
 

Vantage

Carbon fibre... LMAO!!!
I’m confused. In the absence of pump and spare tubes how did the two expect to get home ? And after 5 minutes what further action do you think you and your clubmates could have taken ? If you felt so strongly about it could you not have offered one of your tubes ?

I can only guess they were inexperienced cyclists.
I was standing at the back of the group so don't know exactly what was going on but I'm guessing someone from the group offered them the use of a pump and patches which they might not have been too quick with. It takes me a good 10 minutes to properly fix a flat and I've been doing it over 40 years. Maybe I too am just slow.
Why didn't I help? I'm an introvert. I'll help if I'm asked but I won't go so far as to offer it outright as a lack of confidence I struggle to believe I'm worth anyone's time. Plus I didn't want to get left behind and end up lost.
 

the snail

Guru
Location
Chippenham
FWIW I used to ride with Chippenham Wheelers, and I found them to be a friendly sociable group. IME if someone had a problem there was no shortage of people ready to help out, provide a spare inner tube, make sure you could get home, or on occasion wait for an ambulance. The Sunday rides were usually 30-50 miles, and people were expected to be fairly self reliant. Saturday rides were 10-20 miles, gentler pace, with everyone keeping together, no-one left behind. @youngoldbloke OTP used to lead the Saturday rides. There was also a MTB group and a chain gang, plus racing related activities. This was a few years back though, I don't know how things are arranged these days.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
There are riders of all types on CC but sadly the only posts I read which are dismissive of a group are always directed at club riders or roadies. I find that very strange. It certainly makes me think and question why this would be?
Perhaps it's because those of us who have been told our cycling is "no good to man nor beast" or similar always seem to have been told by a lycra-fetishising roadie? Not all roadies are racist sexist ableist daffodils, but the daffodils seem much more likely to be stereotypical grizzled roadies than scatty tie-dyed 'bent tricycle riders. Funny innit?
 

PaulSB

Squire
Perhaps it's because those of us who have been told our cycling is "no good to man nor beast" or similar always seem to have been told by a lycra-fetishising roadie? Not all roadies are racist sexist ableist daffodils, but the daffodils seem much more likely to be stereotypical grizzled roadies than scatty tie-dyed 'bent tricycle riders. Funny innit?
Quite honestly I'm struggling to understand this. Daffodils? For me you're not making much sense. It seems at some point a roadie has directly insulted your riding? Something I find very hard to believe.

I've experienced what we might characterise as ignorance from riders who clearly aren't roadies or club riders. I don't though find it necessary to rant about them or characterise the group in the way roadies are. I just wonder why the reverse is true with other riders towards roadies?
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Quite honestly I'm struggling to understand this. Daffodils? For me you're not making much sense.
This site changes what I'd call them into daffodil. 🤷

It seems at some point a roadie has directly insulted your riding? Something I find very hard to believe.
Wait until you have a long term illness or three (become what British Cycling's then-leaders called "wobblies"), then go along to a wannabe-fast club's "welcome" ride. I suspect you'll still find a bike snob roadie at many, because BC really haven't addressed this well yet: BC basically acknowledged years ago some/too many of their clubs deter non-stereotypical riders but preferred to fund setting up new clubs for some of the deterred people, rather than reform problem clubs.

I've experienced what we might characterise as ignorance from riders who clearly aren't roadies or club riders. I don't though find it necessary to rant about them or characterise the group in the way roadies are. I just wonder why the reverse is true with other riders towards roadies?
Prevalence? The rest of it seems sort of random, but it seems like any sufficiently large group of roadie club men is almost certain to contain an insulter, and most of the group will deny there is one and fail to restrain or correct them.
 

PaulSB

Squire
This site changes what I'd call them into daffodil. 🤷


Wait until you have a long term illness or three (become what British Cycling's then-leaders called "wobblies"), then go along to a wannabe-fast club's "welcome" ride. I suspect you'll still find a bike snob roadie at many, because BC really haven't addressed this well yet: BC basically acknowledged years ago some/too many of their clubs deter non-stereotypical riders but preferred to fund setting up new clubs for some of the deterred people, rather than reform problem clubs.


Prevalence? The rest of it seems sort of random, but it seems like any sufficiently large group of roadie club men is almost certain to contain an insulter, and most of the group will deny there is one and fail to restrain or correct them.

Great. Thank you. "Daffodils" I imagine you know is a highly derogatory term in many ways, not least when directed towards gay men and cross-dressers. I didn't know the site replaces certain words with daffodil. That's ridiculous and leads to serious misunderstanding. I thought you were using the word in its derogatory sense.

I've been around cycle clubs for 25 years, secretary of my current club for six years. I stood down a year ago. Overall I don't recognise the behaviour you describe. Perhaps it varies across the country? I'm in Lancashire. I fully acknowledge clubs have d******** amongst their membership but have never seen it as prevalent as you describe. Only a month ago I called out one of our guys for his misogynistic comments and attitude.

I've returned from a heart attack, stroke and I'm currently fighting my way back from being hit by a tractor at 35mph. I think I have relevant experience on this one. All the riders I know are very supportive.

I've avoided these examples but here goes. I often see groups of riders on flatbars, usually wearing heavy bright yellow jackets, even in summer, sometimes backpacks, sometimes rackpacks. These riders never respond to a wave or shout.

I ride a lot of gravel, I use my bell whenever I need to. I usually get a smile or thankyou from walkers. I'd put myself in the 1% of riders who do this. When I'm walking, especially on towpaths, MTBers approaching from behind never announce themselves. From the front they make no attempt to slow. Just this morning four MTBers came round a blind bend on the road out of my village. It's a dead end. One on my side of the road so busy looking left chatting to his mate I had to brake hard to avoid him hitting me. On Rivington, a big local MTB area, it's very common to encounter groups of MTB riders descending trails at speed who simply expect walkers to stand aside.

I could go on but won't. The point is there are d******** in every branch of our sport. I don't stereotype these riders and think it's wrong to stereotype roadies/club riders on the way many in here do.
 

Psamathe

Senior Member
I pretty much get ignored now on the chat / social media pages so i have given up with them.
One aspect that has impacted me in this regard is "social media". I used to do a lot of kayaking with my local club. Family emergency cause a break for 4 months, then I headed off travelling so stopped going. These days I sort of want to restart but they club has dropped their website and switched to Facebook and coordinate their activities using WhatsApp - and I and 110% that I will not join such online media as I'm very determined to maintain privacy and not contribute to unreliable billionaire information for profit.

And it's far more that "cutting off my nose to spite my face" as eg allow WhatsApp access to your contacts (so you can see where messages are from, etc.) and you provide Zukkiniberg with details of everybody in your Contacts (thus impacting their privacy).

Daft thing is that maintaining your own website can cost very little and be very easy.

Ian
 
Perhaps it's because those of us who have been told our cycling is "no good to man nor beast" or similar always seem to have been told by a lycra-fetishising roadie? Not all roadies are racist sexist ableist daffodils, but the daffodils seem much more likely to be stereotypical grizzled roadies than scatty tie-dyed 'bent tricycle riders. Funny innit?

I think this is more a (depressing) reflection of human nature; you gain kudos with your tribe by kicking sand in the face of the outcasts, and so it goes ...

I would speculate it's more noticeable in white MAMIL roadie groups for the simple reason that they are statistically already in a tribe, and thus the tiny %age of c*nts (TM AndyRM, thanks!) feel emboldened.

People with low self-esteem often gain confidence in a tribe. They may have previously had the sand kicked in their faces!
 
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