Women's Cycling

[jefmcg]

There's no blind spots in the above pic. Don't get sucked into the bullshit that the FHA, TfL and the met are coming out with.

???? Of course there are blind spots. Every vehicle has blindspots. If you assume a driver can see you if you can't see him, it's could end badly.

Can you elucidate your remarks above? Links or a more detailed explanation would be useful.

(I'm not wedded to the above theory - that the blind spots combined with female riders behaviour caused the deaths. I just proposed it as one possible explanation. I am very happy to be enlightened)

 

[steveindenmark]

Jefmcg. I understand what you are saying. I was just clarifying that not all of these accidents may be the fault of the drivers.

I have never actually seen annual stats which explained who is considered to be at fault for these fatalities. I think a lot could be learnt if such stats were available. As it is motorists blame the cyclists and cyclists blame the motorists. Nobody learnt anything and so the circle continues.

 

[jefmcg]

Honestly? I couldn't give a shoot who is at fault. What if you proved that every one of these deaths was caused by an error made by the cyclist? Would that make it OK? People who make errors on the road should not die.

 

[jefmcg]

Data. Also from the same site, I haven't reviewed it, so I'm trusting a stranger on the internet. That will never lead me astray, will it?

(the one non-HGV was a motorcycle)

7 out of 14, the other vehicle was turning left. The others I'm not clear on the language.

 

[Simpleton]

???? Of course there are blind spots. Every vehicle has blindspots. If you assume a driver can see you if you can't see him, it's could end badly.

Can you elucidate your remarks above? Links or a more detailed explanation would be useful.

(I'm not wedded to the above theory - that the blind spots combined with female riders behaviour caused the deaths. I just proposed it as one possible explanation. I am very happy to be enlightened)

excuse the paint skills.

 

[steveindenmark]

Honestly? I couldn't give a shoot who is at fault. What if you proved that every one of these deaths was caused by an error made by the cyclist? Would that make it OK? People who make errors on the road should not die.

It would not make it ok but it may provide information to help prevent it happening again. How do you expect it to stop if it is not looked at?

 

[classic33]

excuse the paint skills.
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Why the different colours?

 

[theclaud]

Why the different colours?

It's colour-coded to show which mirrors/vantage points can see which areas. If the driver looks. I think it's rather good.

 

[jefmcg]

excuse the paint skills.
View attachment 105795

Ah, thanks.

I assume the black marks the blind spots without the mirrors in place.

 

[theclaud]

The whole 'exchanging places' thing is not actually an exchange at all, it's a campaign to scare cyclists off the roads. The interesting thing is that to do this effectively, the industry has to take a gamble - it has to admit, state or imply that its vehicles are unfit to share public roads. Cycling and pedestrian safety campaigners need to exploit this faultline, and one way or another make those who bring the danger to the streets take responsibility for it.

 

[jefmcg]

It would not make it ok but it may provide information to help prevent it happening again. How do you expect it to stop if it is not looked at?

We need to know the cause of the death, but not necessarily fault.

e.g if death was caused by a rider being in a drivers blind spot, you could look at

1. rider education
2. driver education
3. new designs of vehicles
4. enforcement (eg penalties for missing mirrors, fines for cyclists moving up the left)
5. removal of certain vehicles from central London
6. road design changes to encourage riders out of blind spots
7. placards on the rear of vehicles

etc etc etc. None of the above require looking at fault. It's just irrelevant.

 

[Smurfy]

Data. Also from the same site, I haven't reviewed it, so I'm trusting a stranger on the internet. That will never lead me astray, will it?

(the one non-HGV was a motorcycle)

7 out of 14, the other vehicle was turning left. The others I'm not clear on the language.

What a terrible list

 

[Simpleton]

Ah, thanks.

I assume the black marks the blind spots without the mirrors in place.

Without the mirrors in place there would be a blind spot that would completely surrond the vehicle.

 

[fimm]

Blog post (not my blog) on blind spots here:
http://mccraw.co.uk/sorry-mate-i-cant-see-blind-spot/

 

[Simpleton]

Blog post (not my blog) on blind spots here:
http://mccraw.co.uk/sorry-mate-i-cant-see-blind-spot/

I forgot that blog entry from Dave. Just illustrates perfectly the whole blind spot bullshit.