Women's Cycling

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Yazzoo

Senior Member
Location
Suffolk
As a female cyclist I understand I am in the minority here but I'm wondering why?

  1. Why do less women cycle? A look round the women's section of any cycling store suggests there a very few of us out there!
  2. Why is women's pro cycling not as big a deal as mens? Is it ultimately down to speed? I understand and accept that men are generally faster/stronger than women but surely if you're competing against women and you're the strongest thats the same as men competing against men?

Excuse my ignorance but I come from the equestrian world - one of the few sports out there where men and women compete against each other on an equal playing field.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Why do less women cycle? A look round the women's section of any cycling store suggests there a very few of us out there!
The cycling store problem is a bit chicken-and-egg - women find little nice cycling gear so they stop going to those stores so women going there find little nice gear and so on. I also suspect that a higher proportion of women cycle in ordinary clothes rather than full spandex suits, but that's guesswork.

As for why fewer women cycle, the last solid evidence I saw was in British Cycling's Vision for Women which said:
Over 30% of female respondents to a recent British Cycling survey identified safety concerns as the main barrier to participating in cycling.

The other most common responses were:
‘lack of knowledge of local routes’
‘nobody to go with’.

In addition, through our research and intelligence gained from the delivery of our programmes to date, we understand there are a number of additional barriers which challenge women specifically
from participating in cycling:
Lack of time
Lack of confidence on a bike and cycling on the highway
Lack of female role models, eg ride leaders
Lack of knowledge of bike maintenance and associated vulnerabilities
Negative body image associated with kit, equipment and resultant ‘muscular’ physique
Costs associated with purchase of bike
Impracticalities of bike transportation.

In terms of the barriers preventing women progressing to challenge rides and racing, we know the visibility and understanding of these opportunities need to improve. That is why we are campaigning to create a safe and enjoyable cycling environment for everyone.
I can't link to that because it seems that www.BritishCycling.org.uk/women seems to have been deleted!

Somehow British Cycling got from the above list to the Breeze single-sex rides (where you can be out of place if you're not wearing a helmet and lycra and riding a racing bike) which I think do little to address most of those but that's a whole other discussion. I'm more in favour of a Stourbug-style approach: encouraging women but primarily addressing things like safety concerns, routes, friendly people to ride with, offering some mechanical support if it all goes wrong, not requiring special kit or fancy bikes and offering tips on practical cycling (yes, you can do a group ride with baskets and/or panniers!). Most of those barriers affect other under-represented groups too.

Why is women's pro cycling not as big a deal as mens? Is it ultimately down to speed? I understand and accept that men are generally faster/stronger than women but surely if you're competing against women and you're the strongest thats the same as men competing against men?
I think it's mainly that the history means it's playing catch-up. I really enjoy the women's pro cycling as much as the men's, but it doesn't get as much coverage and so it doesn't get as many resources and so it isn't such a big show (no big screen fan-zones at the Women's Tour of Britain as far as I've seen) and so it doesn't get as much coverage... There are some daft rules about race lengths and so on which I think should be changed soon, too. The great opportunity for women's racing is that they can try to build a calendar that avoids the overlapping chaos of the men's racing.
 

vickster

Squire
I think its because less women watch sport and men seem to like to watch men's sport more

That said I'm not averse to a bit of men's cycling, all those nice tanned legs ;)

Road cycling has been marketed through advertising and magazines to men not equally to both genders. Get a copy of any cycling magazine and see how much is devoted to women's kit vs men's. Probably <5%. Cycling Active used to be better in that regard but now it's become much more mamilified and aimed at men on road bikes
 

vickster

Squire
Regarding the clothing, some shops do carry more women's kit but very rarely if ever in anything other than a size 12
or 14. 99% of my stuff has been bought on line for that very reason. So I spend my life ordering, trying on and 9/10 returning. Frustrating and time consuming! And that's being in London, so heaven knows what the rest of the country is like! I probably have 30+ bike shops within 15 miles or less of here!
 

MikeW-71

Veteran
Location
Carlisle
As a female cyclist I understand I am in the minority here but I'm wondering why?

  1. Why do less women cycle? A look round the women's section of any cycling store suggests there a very few of us out there!
  2. Why is women's pro cycling not as big a deal as mens? Is it ultimately down to speed? I understand and accept that men are generally faster/stronger than women but surely if you're competing against women and you're the strongest thats the same as men competing against men?

Excuse my ignorance but I come from the equestrian world - one of the few sports out there where men and women compete against each other on an equal playing field.
It's a difficult one.

1. This is what many people and organisations are trying to work out. I think that for road cycling, women are even more nervous about cars than most men are. They feel more vulnerable riding alone. Generally less interested in sports? They see cycling (or it is presented to them) as male-dominated, which makes them uncomfortable when riding with men as they feel like they are too slow, and that puts them off. (I think that's why the women-only Breeze rides and Cyclettas have been very popular)

2. I really can't work this out. I have watched some of the womens racing, particularly the Womens Tour last year, and it was absolutely brilliant! Yes, speeds are a bit slower than the men, (but that's irrelevent as they aren't racing against men), but they are still going bloody fast! Ultimately it comes down to money. :sad: The profile is being raised though, and things are improving. Long may that continue.

However, I am seeing more people out cycling than I have done before, and more of those new riders are women.
 
Much of what has been said is correct, fundamentally though until women are treated as equals with men there will always be a problem. The media is very important in this equation and until they give equal reporting / coverage of women's events they are not going to be as inspired. Lizzie Armistead did not even get a mention on the BBC news when she won the road race World Championship last Saturday. Two of the biggest cycling organisations only have one woman apiece on their management committees.
My better half is one of the top amateur cyclists in the UK, yet in a competition she is in next week the winning man will get a far higher reward than the winning woman, presumably because she didn't try as hard as the man. I could go on, suffice to say a fair proportion of my time is fighting inequality. This Sunday I will be talking to some of the top pro women to see how they felt about the poor media coverage last week.
There is still a school of thought in the older generation that the role of women is to support the men.
 

xxDarkRiderxx

Veteran
Location
London, UK
Not so sure about men being stronger than women. We had two 14 year old girls from another club join us a social club ride, and they tore the legs of us.:heat:.
 
Well, there is one part of cycling where women outnumber men: road fatalities in London. This year so far 5 women and 2 men have died.

As for pro cycling. Personally I dislike all professional sports, so I equally disinterested in men's and women's cycling.

It's also a time/responsibility thing. I do audaxes, I think there are men on these long ride leaving the kids with the wife. This is often less of an option for women. Also - while there are ways around it - it's easier to cycle to work if you don't have to get kids to school first, a job that is nearly universally done in a car, and it's easier to leave for work in time to get cleaned and ready at the other end if you don't have others to shepherd out the door first.

Many women keep up a very high level of personal grooming, and I have worked in few places that have the facilities to reach that level. It's ok for me, I'm IT, so even in working in the City, I'm a lick-and-promise type.

And guys? It's ok to sit back and let women discuss something without you joining in immediately. I'd love to see a discussion on women's cycling that isn't dominated by men for once.
 

Reddragon

Active Member
Location
Holywell
I have only just started cycling and the majority (I would say 95%) of riders I pass (going the other way) or pass me (going the same way) are men. I can understand the concerns of safety with traffic (my husband's main concern which is why I stick to generally the back roads) and being a lone female but I have never generally worried about this sort of stuff at any other time so don't intend to start now.
I started jogging a couple of months before cycling and see a lot more women jogging, they need to know you can get further, faster with time to get your breath back whilst still moving and eat cake, so cycling is the way to go :biggrin:
With regards to the pro cycling it is the same as most sports, the women's version is less watched (generally men are not keen on watching women's sport, women don't watch as much sport and the broadcasters reflect this due to advertising revenue etc) this is the case for all the sports I watch (I will watch men and women, whatever is on) football, rugby, golf etc.
If more women take part, there will be increased interest in the pro sports which will lead to more being broadcast which will lead to more participants so chicken and egg I think.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
And guys? It's ok to sit back and let women discuss something without you joining in immediately.
You sexist prig ;) I knew some stats on this which I hoped might inform the discussion rather than it becoming a stack of anecdotes like certain other topics...

generally men are not keen on watching women's sport
Really? Couldn't it be that it's made much more difficult to watch women's sport and lots of us have been burned by it bouncing around the schedule and sometimes the conclusion of a competition being dropped entirely?

What sport gets equal coverage and worse viewing figures? The sport I can think of where men and women competitions are covered in full is tennis, but then the women's game is shorter and in the major events, the women's finals are usually held on a Saturday (against more competition from other sports as well as other activities) as a prequel to the men's final on a Sunday.

It's pretty annoying the way you have to hunt around to follow the women's cycling World Cup, for example... but then again, the men's World Tour is hardly easy to follow with its conflicting events and competing broadcasters, so I don't know.
 
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