Windows 10 users after 14 October 2025

[HMS_Dave]

As an update I have tried several browsers, by far the quickest in use is Google Chrome, especially when accessing my 'One Drive' via my Outlook/Hotmail email account, with Firefox it a click through would often be slow I'd get a 'Force Quit' or 'Wait' pop up. I emphasised 'in use' as in once opened, Firefox was quickest to open initially but then much slower.

On a separate note HMS_Dave is your Icon 'HMS Warspite'? Her along with the 'Rodney' are my two favourites, as much as I love the 'Belfast' being on the Thames I'd love it to have been Warspite or Rodney.

I used Chrome on Linux for the first few years, having using it on Windows previously for years. Worked really well, as good as on Windows. I gave MS edge a go on linux too. Microsoft do seem to update it regularly and is well supported. It's a good way for those on windows to keep some familiarity in Linux if they decide to give Linux a try. I found it a good experience. I do use Firefox now. I use it mostly due to privacy concerns but like you, I find it has its quirks, and is not as light on resources as it once was and if I find myself opening lots of tabs, it can cause momentary system freezes which I do not experience in the other mainstream browsers.

The avatar picture is indeed HMS Warspite. I did a brief write up on it here https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/a...f-anything-thread.262567/page-79#post-6923699

Warspite is one ship that should have been kept as a museum ship. It's service history surely deserved it.
Rodney and Nelson are fascinating battleships in their own right. Controversial at the time because of its design but they definitely packed a punch with their 16 inch guns.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Couldn’t make it up!

 

[Alex321]

Couldn’t make it up!

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That is only if you have use a workaround to install Windows 11 on a system that doesn't meet the requirements.

 

[icowden]

Couldn’t make it up!

And yet they have.

The only story here is that the makers of an operating system have advised users not to install a version of the operating system that is not compatible with their machine but to upgrade or shell out £ for extended support. They have also blocked some loopholes that allowed users to bypass some of the hardware requirements.

There is literally no story. Just software owners enforcing the rules.

 

[Alex321]

And yet they have.

The only story here is that the makers of an operating system have advised users not to install a version of the operating system that is not compatible with their machine but to upgrade or shell out £ for extended support. They have also blocked some loopholes that allowed users to bypass some of the hardware requirements.

There is literally no story. Just software owners enforcing the rules.

Theyv are actually advising that if you have already updated using a workaround, you should revert to W10, rather than just advising against updating.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

There is literally no story.

Well there is, as those who’ve already changed to W11 are being advised to change back to W10.

 

[icowden]

Well there is, as those who’ve already changed to W11 are being advised to change back to W10.

This is presumably because Microsoft have just released quite a big Windows 11 update (my system wants to reboot to install it and warns it make take much longer than usual) which is likely to break machines that don't meet the windows 11 hardware requirements.

It still doesn't alter the fact that this is just a clickbait article from Forbes that has been updated several times to over sensationalise minor details.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

This is presumably because Microsoft

How about reading what they’ve said, rather than presuming and getting it wrong?

 

[icowden]

How about reading what they’ve said, rather than presuming and getting it wrong?

Because they have said very little - certainly not *why* they have changed their advice, blocked Fly-By and removed the registry tweak guidance that allowed users to bypass the TPM requirement.

 

[HMS_Dave]

All the workarounds to get W11 working on non W11 supported machines are not official and therefore are always subject to breaking. This is why i never recommend these workarounds, especially if you might have data that you do not wish to lose. I detest the notion of buying a new machine just to get W11 compliant, it is so wasteful as most people use their machines to operate internet browsers and any machine from 10-15 years ago is pretty much capable of that but W11 will render most of these unsupported. There are options still available of course, but i fear many will simply buy a new machine and dump their older one or just risk it and run W10 without extended support and wing it. It is pretty alarming in this aspect of the relatively low and slow uptake in W11 upgrades, since we are over 3 years into the W11 life cycle and still it only accounts for 36% of Windows users up from only 28% January 2024. W10 is sitting above 60% down from only 66% last January.

 

[CXRAndy]

The work arounds are all over YouTube. Take your pick.

I'm going to try the update as the only X in my system requirements is unsupported cpu

 

[icowden]

It is pretty alarming in this aspect of the relatively low and slow uptake in W11 upgrades, since we are over 3 years into the W11 life cycle and still it only accounts for 36% of Windows users up from only 28% January 2024. W10 is sitting above 60% down from only 66% last January.

Which suggests that the majority of users don't have the TPM. I'm not sure it's alarming though. Windows XP was the OS of choice for many many years. It was introduced in 2001, then Vista arrived - which nobody liked. Finally in 2009 Windows 7 came out. Eventually everyone moved over onto Windows 7. by around 2012.

Windows 8 came out in 2012. Nobody used it. Windows 8.1 came out in 2013 - most people still stuck with Windows 7. Finally in 2015 Windows 10 came out and by 2020 most people were happily on Windows 10.

Then Windows 11 came out and it was supposed to be different. It was a simple direct upgrade from Windows 10. The problem is/was that Microsoft tried to force everyone to upgrade their hardware. You had to have a TPM chip. New machines made in / after 2015 should have one, but it needs to be enabled in the BIOS, which is starting to get to where a lot of people feel uncomfortable. Thus people stick with Windows 10.

 

[HMS_Dave]

Which suggests that the majority of users don't have the TPM. I'm not sure it's alarming though. Windows XP was the OS of choice for many many years. It was introduced in 2001, then Vista arrived - which nobody liked. Finally in 2009 Windows 7 came out. Eventually everyone moved over onto Windows 7. by around 2012.

Windows 8 came out in 2012. Nobody used it. Windows 8.1 came out in 2013 - most people still stuck with Windows 7. Finally in 2015 Windows 10 came out and by 2020 most people were happily on Windows 10.

Then Windows 11 came out and it was supposed to be different. It was a simple direct upgrade from Windows 10. The problem is/was that Microsoft tried to force everyone to upgrade their hardware. You had to have a TPM chip. New machines made in / after 2015 should have one, but it needs to be enabled in the BIOS, which is starting to get to where a lot of people feel uncomfortable. Thus people stick with Windows 10.

TPM has been a thing for years. TPM 2.0 is the later version which is required, but even that was shipped on computers from 2015. My old HP z620 from 2012 has TPM but 1.2. What you will more likely find is people don't have a supported CPU which in some cases are pretty aggressive requirements as in 2021 when W11 was released some CPUs weren't supported that were just 2 years old at that point.

It is alarming in the sense that we live in more dangerous times for Internet and computer security than even 2010, billions more people are in the net especially in developing countries, the geopolitical situation is more unstable and botnet attacks are on rife with the high level of computing power available at affordable prices. Without security patches, you are really risking it and I personally fear it people will wing it. The difference in the examples you list is the support. At one point Microsoft was supporting XP, Vista, 7, 8 and then 10. With the low adoption of W11 with W10 EOL in 8 months the situation is rather different and hardware requirements were no were near as aggressive then.

 

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[Dadam]

Still can't count. Missed Vista and 8.1!