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Cannondale do a trade in scheme for owners of their bikes, (or at least they used to). You could 'trade up' to the latest frameset for a reasonable price as I understood it.

I'd be interested to find out if anyone knows if this is still in operation.
 

LosingFocus

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Thread of the day IMHO.
 
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User6179

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Still no sure what the arguement is about

That you can't buy a replacement frame set from specialized, trek etc? You can

That they're too expensive? Unfortunately that's life, buy one from someone cheaper

Thats what I thought he meant and i have to agree that in relation to the price of the bikes the frames are over priced, but and I think some people have realised this if you want a frame then buy a full bike and sell of the parts on ebay .I think going by the prices that are getting paid you could break up full bike and make a profit and the only reason this is possible is because the parts are overpriced .Try building a bike from new parts and you soon realise this
 
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Eddy Totally agree with you and also being a motorcyclist I know that only too well.Just try buying a full fairing. I once ordered a grab rail for a Honda Blackbird and it cost £180.I suppose the point I was really trying to make was that if you pranged a < £1k bike and wanted to replace the frame unless you wanted to upgrade it to something £2k + you could only do it by buying second hand.
Thankfully since posting the question I have been on Ebay and solved the problem.
 

TheDoctor

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Last thing I would want is a branded frame.
My carbon bike has no makers ID on it, and that's the way I want it.
Even if I liked the colour (and Celeste blue is feckin' gorgeous :wub:) I wouldn't want Bianchi logos all over it.
 
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Last thing I would want is a branded frame.
My carbon bike has no makers ID on it, and that's the way I want it.
Even if I liked the colour (and Celeste blue is feckin' gorgeous :wub:) I wouldn't want Bianchi logos all over it.

Last thing I would want would be some kind of embarressing STD ^_^
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
Last thing I would want is a branded frame.
My carbon bike has no makers ID on it, and that's the way I want it.
Even if I liked the colour (and Celeste blue is feckin' gorgeous :wub:) I wouldn't want Bianchi logos all over it.
But that blue (I think of it more as baby-powder blue - and I don't like it) is a brand. Having a baby-powder blue Bianchi without a Bianchi logo just says "I'm a Bianchi nut, and I know that you recognise the colour, and so you know that I'm riding a Bianchi. Aren't we both people of impeccable taste?"
 

PpPete

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borrow the £ to buy a complete bike with the frame you want.... plenty of bargains out there at the moment
spend a lot of time and effort stripping it and transferring the worn-out parts from your existing bike on to the new frame
sell the new unused parts on ebay for around 40% - 50% of whatever CRC / Ribble / Wiggle are selling currently
use sale proceeds to pay off some of what you borrowed

simples !
 
Roberts Tourer made to my spec £2500
Bianchi ML3 £1000
Specialised Hard Rock £350
Ridgeback 603 MBK £150
Focus Cayo £1200

That's the bikes in my garage and not one from Tescos Oh yes I do have one from Halfords though the wifes £250. Now go away you horrible little pip squeak and insult someone that deserves it and not someone that was purely seeking advice.

No doubt your one of those that rides in all the team gear as well.

Woopy doo. I think you missed the point I was trying to make, and thanks for telling us how much you've spent on your bikes. Not sure that qualifies you to be a cheapskate but hey.
Manufacturers don't sell very many frames because so few people buy them. It's a supply and demand thing. In my time in retail - in a variety of shops - I probably sold 100 or more complete bikes for every frame I sold. So - with the exception of aftermarket frame specialists - it's simply not cost effective to stock a wide range of frames. And even the specialists are selling a fraction of the numbers they sold a decade or more ago. And if you're a supplier, or a shop what frame should you stock for sale to this dwindling market? Road, carbon, Audax, Scandium? In what sizes? (And that's before we consider the miriad of other types available - hardtail mountain bike, short travel full sus, DH, 29er, cyclocross etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc). No, I don't know either.

So they are extremely difficult to stock-plan for. Add to this the fact (and this shouldn't be difficult for anyone with a modicum of brain to work out for themselves) that they will inevitably be more expensive because they sell fewer of them (economies of scale and all that). In addition the shipping component - getting it here from the far East - of the price is comparible for a complete bike or a frame.Taxes and duties are different between components and complete bikes, and frames are components.

Bicycle shop staff have to deal with cheapskates on an almost daily basis, people who want the product or service that's on offer but who aren't prepared to pay the going rate. The Something for Nothing Crowd, who are often also members of the Try-it-on-in-the-shop-and-then-go-and-buy-it-off-the-interweb Brigade.

If you cant afford a thing don't buy it, but if you like something enough to want to own it don't make out that you're 'doing the seller a favour' by offering to pay a pittance to take off their hands.

Horrible little pip squeak? At six foot one and 17.5 stone I'm not little.
 
http://www.cyclorama.net/blog/ramblings/full-price/

Full price?!
Thursday, April 1st, 2010 by Mick Allan
I worked in cycle shops for over twenty years. Preparations for the Cyclorama Retailers section had me reminiscing about working at the sharp end of the cycle industry. It’s not easy running a bike shop, customer expectations are high and margins are low. Finding and retaining experienced staff at lower than average wages is never easy. And as an employee it was often quite a challenge to retain ones sense of humour when dealing with the general cycling public. Whenever I meet up with my old bike shop mates the talk soon turns to particularly memorable episodes involving certain ‘clients’. ‘Client’ being the code word we used for difficult customers.


Picture the scene, an early season sunny Saturday afternoon, a busy shop and a client who seems genuinely interested. I’ve walked him up the price-points, explaining the fundamental differences between £300, £400, £500, £600 and £700 bikes. He seems a friendly guy. He’s with his wife who waits patiently nearby. He keeps asking questions and I feel like I’m on track for a sale. After an hour or more I approach the close, it seems like he’s struggling to find questions to ask and my shop is getting really busy around us. He has already stated that he definitely wants to purchase a bike today.

Eventually I say; ‘Which bike are you particularly interested in? If you’d like me to have it checked over now it can be ready to go in half an hour’.

He wanders back down the shop, points to a bike and says: ‘What’s your best price?’

‘£300′ says I, ‘Just as it says on the price label Sir’.

You’re not understanding me’, says he. ‘What. Is. Your. Best. Price?’

To which I reply, as politely as is humanly possible, words to the effect that; ‘The price is on the sticker Sir, that’s how much we charge because we are a small but nonetheless full-service cycle shop with a carefully selected range of fine products, knowledgeable staff and a hard earned reputation for the quality of our assembly. That is a brand-new-bike inasmuch as it is not this year’s model but next year’s and has just arrived in store. It represents such great value for money that I do not anticipate having any difficulty selling each and every one that we order. At the suggested retail price. In fact there is a very high likelihood that our supplier will run out of stock half way through the year leaving us crying out for more. Just like they did last year. And the year before that. I’ve been happy to stand here for all this time providing you with all the information you need to make an informed decision on the purchase of a machine which you may likely own for the next decade. That’s the price, right there on the sticker. It represents a gross profit to us of £X, much of which has been absorbed by my wages standing here talking to you. But if it makes the difference between you buying the bike and walking out of here empty handed I am prepared to offer you a discount on any components and accessories you purchase with the bike today.

To which he responded; ‘I don’t want any accessories, just the bike. And let me tell you, (drawing nearer, his eyes fixed to mine) I never. Ever. Pay full price. For anything.
I’ll ask you again; What is your best price?

I said; ‘I’m sorry that we can’t do business today,’ smiled, and walked away.

He stormed out.

Two days later he came back into the shop (without his wife), avoided my gaze, approached another member of staff and bought the bike straight off the shop floor.
I often wondered how on earth he was able to get through life ‘not paying full price for anything’. Supermarkets and petrol stations must have been challenging!
The bottom line is, if we want high quality, enthusiastic, knowledgeable, full-service high-street bicycle retailers to survive in good health we cannot expect them to charge high-volume, low-service, internet retailer prices. We are right to expect high levels of competence and professionalism but we can’t simultaneously beat them up over price.
Bicycle shops, use them or lose them! The world will surely be a poorer place when they’ve gone.
 

Cubist

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Yes why is it not possible, other than by buying second hand, moderately priced frame and forks from Bianchi, Specialised, Trek etc etc.

Quite clearly if you have the income of a footballer you do not have this problem as its easy to buy from these companies what you want if it costs thousands but if you just want to upgrade your existing £1k bike its a different story.

Its not as if I even want CFso you would think these manufacturers would be only too glad to sell of their aluminium old stock as well.
OP

Go and buy a new bike with the frame you want, strip it and sell the components on eBay. It may have escaped your undoubtedly experienced and moderately wealthy attention that retail price of components and frames are such that if you buy an entire bike you get either the frame or the components for next to nothing, but never both.

My fork was bought from my LBS who had bought an entire bike to replace the frame for another customer. The wholesale price of the bike was such that they could replace his frame at retail price, then sell off all the OEM components at a reasonable discount and still have enough to make a living.

See that last phrase, "make a living" ? Could that be a clue?

You don't have the buying power of an LBS, but you might appreciate the true costs of cycling (which differ from making a living,) as Mickle has tried to point out, Pipsqueak or not.
 
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