Why bike weight matters?

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Profpointy

Legendary Member
The shorter chainstays also transfer your power more efficiently on the flat as well, i.e. when starting off at a road junctions, etc.

I think you will find that more fatigue is caused by a more rigid front fork than shorter chainstays; but everyone is welcome to their own choices. :becool:

how do shorter chainstays "transfer power more efficiently" - often hear this said, but I don't get the physics. (other than saving the weight of an inch or two of tube - or is it just that?)
 

L14M

Über Member
i'm 5,3 and 50kg. Yeah my BMI is perfect, I could be better tonned though ;)
 

L14M

Über Member
BUT, Im happy atm. My bike is a little porky at 11kg, though with a new wheelset and carbon fork it'll be 10kg, that's good for me. If i worked harder i'd do better than sitting at home buying new components!
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
how do shorter chainstays "transfer power more efficiently" - often hear this said, but I don't get the physics. (other than saving the weight of an inch or two of tube - or is it just that?)

I've read this before too, and wondered the same thing. I think (and I could be wrong) that longer stays are more likely to flex, so when the chain is under tension the whole BB to rear axle assembly will flex slightly and absorb some of the energy.

If I'm right then this will only happen under extreme torque/high chain tension situations. For normal spinny or relatively spinny riding there will be no difference. But for extreme Cav-like acceleration, or standing on the pedals on a hill like Contador after a nice steak, then it may come into play.

Not that it makes any difference to me personally, but I can't help thinking about these things.

Re the OP, bike weight is mainly significant going up hills. On the flat (once you've accelerated up to speed) rolling and air resistance are most significant.

Imagine you and your doppelganger are riding together, you on your bike, doppelganger on a new lighter bike. Your doppelganger will get to the top of some hills a wee bit quicker. But if you're riding within your limits you can just push a wee bit harder and catch up. At the end of the ride you will be a short distance behind your doppelganger or else you may be a wee bit more tired, but if you're not racing or riding to exhaustion this won't make much difference.

Or maybe you arrive together, but your doppelganger will have been able to linger over half-way coffee and cake for longer than you, or will have spent a bit longer having a wee or waiting at the lights.

So it depends what kind of riding you are doing: If you are racing and every second counts then it will be significant. If you are riding as far as your endurance allows, then you may be a bit earlier entering the "misery zone", when you are just churning the pedals and wishing for the end. But it's possible that a lighter bike may not be as comfortable, so you may enter the misery zone for different reasons.

There's also the fact that you may be grudgingly jealous of your doppelganger's shiny new light bike, and may not feel as good about yourself as a result. So the doppelganger, feeling happy aboard a nice toy, and getting to the tops of the hills first, may have a better time of it. We like toys, let's not pretend we don't. Also the light bike may have a racier "feel" to it, further enhancing your smug, hateful, doppelganger's mood and making you want to spit in his soup and never go cycling again.
 

BrumJim

Forum Stalwart (won't take the hint and leave...)
Having ridden a light bike at the Cycle Show in Birmingham, I have the following hypothesis:

If you get on a lighter bike, you feel it. As you push on your pedals, the interfaces between you and the bike tells you what is happening. Your feet are encased in stiff shoes, and are doing their own thing, so don't tell you that much. It is your bottom that gives you feedback. So if the bike is 20% lighter, then for the same force on the pedals you will get a proportionate increase in acceleration of the bike, which is then transferred to your backside as a noticeably quicker shove.

However where it really matters (where the rubber hits the tarmac) this reduction in weight is a much smaller proportion, and hence makes less difference. Nevertheless, it is my backside that I can feel, and therefore gives me the good feeling.

Would also like to know what the psychological effect is. If you gave me too bikes of identical weight, one which is described as a £3,000 high technology race-bred carbon fibre mile-eating hill-flattening tour-de-force, and one as an Argos attempt to reach the road market, I'd probably ride the first one much faster.
 

cyberknight

As long as I breathe, I attack.
i'm 5,3 and 50kg. Yeah my BMI is perfect, I could be better tonned though ;)
i dont pay much attention to bmi , to many body type variants.
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Ootini

Senior Member
Location
North Wales
I was reading about the Ridley Noah Fast road bike. In the blurb it claims that due to some special paint the drag is reduced by about 6% if memory serves. Surely once you attach human body to the bike the drag of the unit as a whole is increased to such an extent that a 6% saving of the bikes drag in isolation becomes utterly negligible?
 

L14M

Über Member
 

youngoldbloke

The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
I was reading about the Ridley Noah Fast road bike. In the blurb it claims that due to some special paint the drag is reduced by about 6% if memory serves. Surely once you attach human body to the bike the drag of the unit as a whole is increased to such an extent that a 6% saving of the bikes drag in isolation becomes utterly negligible?
Marginal Gains? :scratch:I see it also has :
F-Brake reduces turbulence and drag by 4.3%
F-Splitfork reduces drag by 8.2% by drawing turbulent air away from spokes
F-Surface paint technology reduces drag by 4.1% by increasing laminar flow ..........
- and it is only £5895 .... and not forgetting ......11p ;)
 

steveindenmark

Legendary Member
I realised that fannying about with carbon bottle holders, scrimping an ounce here and an ounce there is a total waste of time and usually very expensive.

But I did manage to take 12 kg off the weight of the bike by getting the fat bastxxd riding it to get out on the road more and stop preening the bike as much.

Steve
 
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