Why are people against CCTV and speed cameras on the roads?

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Linford

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My opinion, but I would have thought it was self-evident.

So if for instance I were followed by a police car, and they clocked me exceeding the posted limit
(and bearing in mind that a traffic officer is regarded as an expert in this field in in a court of law), they pulled me over and charged me for speeding, that is not the same offence as undue care and attention, or the greater charge of dangerous driving.

If they were to want to take it through the courts, and raise the charge to one of dangerous driving, then they would have to present evidence to that effect.

The notion that anybody exceeding the posted limit is automatically guilty of dangerous driving doesn't really hold water, and an uninformed opinion carries no real weight when put to the test.
 

GrumpyGregry

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Speed Cameras are a sledgehammer to crack a nut. QED speeding drivers are nuts.

Works for me.
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
police driver on the ball will see the signs easily enough.
What signs? In a split second, how do you distinguish mild inebriation from mild distraction with enough certainty to pull someone over?
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
I dunno, perhaps we could have them hung from gantrys, tell people of the speed limit using matrix boards and call them "Variable Speed Limits".... Maybe even install them at Heathrow M25 and say Birmingham M40 for a laugh?
Those examples are nothing to do with road safety, and everything to do with smooth traffic flow.

They're also completely useless, because they're not backed up by cameras at every gantry.

If they were, I'd be without my driving licence by now.
 

Linford

Guest
What signs? In a split second, how do you distinguish mild inebriation from mild distraction with enough certainty to pull someone over?

I was actually thinking of them in the traffic and observing the behaviour of the vehicles around them - as they do.
 
So if for instance I were followed by a police car, and they clocked me exceeding the posted limit (and bearing in mind that a traffic officer is regarded as an expert in this field in in a court of law), they pulled me over and charged me for speeding, that is not the same offence as undue care and attention, or the greater charge of dangerous driving.

If they were to want to take it through the courts, and raise the charge to one of dangerous driving, then they would have to present evidence to that effect.

The notion that anybody exceeding the posted limit is automatically guilty of dangerous driving doesn't really hold water, and an uninformed opinion carries no real weight when put to the test.

I don't think Ben B is making that point. He seems to me to be suggesting that by imposing a speed limit for a section of carriageway, the authoities are implying that any vehicle exceeding that speed without any legal reason to do so is driving at a speed beyond that which is considered safe for the road in question.

One might conclude that the driver is therefore taking risks above and beyond those considered acceptable under law or (by implication) driving in a way which is not safe.

The offence of Dangerous Driving is another kettle of fish altogether and not, I think, what BenB is referring to.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that the authorities in a democratic society should introduce a system whereby vehicles passing a given point at greater than a legally imposed and clearly posted speed limit should be subject to a fine and/or further punishment.

In the 'good old days' I benefitted from several 'Gypsy's warnings' from well-meaning traffic officers and then went off to do the same silly thing again. How much fairer to have a system that simply results in my being reported for the offence of speeding every time I trigger a device.
 

benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
I dont want to interpret the laws at all - I want the lawmakers to stand by their own justification for their enforcement of its laws.

If a speed camera is put there for "Road Safety", thats absolutley fine by me, would it be so wrong to expect some sort of system to turn the camera off when conditions allow?

I dunno, perhaps we could have them hung from gantrys, tell people of the speed limit using matrix boards and call them "Variable Speed Limits".... Maybe even install them at Heathrow M25 and say Birmingham M40 for a laugh?

Whacky I know.

I fail to see why the lawmakers need to offer any further justification than "Here's the limit; if you break it we'll fine you".

You're basically saying that you feel you should be free to exceed the posted limit, because you're a really great driver so you can do it safely.

Sounds rather similar to arguments I've heard that go:

"Well obviously if you can't handle your drink you shouldn't drink and drive, but I can take my booze, so just a couple and one for the road and I'm fine"
 

benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
I don't think Ben B is making that point...

And what he said.
 

benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
... then why do we already have variable speed cameras?

Er, because in certain circumstances (e.g.fog) the posted limit is too high, and we can't trust idiot drivers to slow down on their own. Pretty sure there's no variable limit that will make it higher than the "normal" limit.
 

subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
I fail to see why the lawmakers need to offer any further justification than "Here's the limit; if you break it we'll fine you".

You're basically saying that you feel you should be free to exceed the posted limit, because you're a really great driver so you can do it safely.

Sounds rather similar to arguments I've heard that go:

"Well obviously if you can't handle your drink you shouldn't drink and drive, but I can take my booze, so just a couple and one for the road and I'm fine"


funnily enough well over 50% of drivers think they are above average drivers. I think that sums it up.

me ,Definitley average.
 
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