Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
Best answer I have read so far.
who are pavements for?
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gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
We are not tired to our bikes so we could easily just get of our bikes and push them, thus becoming pedestrians 
JonnyBlade
Live to Ride
- Location
- Gosport-Hampshire
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No, it's not simple in that respect. I can give examples of pavements where cycling but there are no markings or signs.
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Well that's a council issue and one that I'm sure they would be held to account over should there be an accident. It should be that simple whether you know of the .05% of occasions when it is not.
No, it's not simple in that respect. I can give examples of pavements where cycling but there are no markings or signs.
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Well that's a council issue and one that I'm sure they would be held to account over should there be an accident. It should be that simple whether you know of the .05% of occasions when it is not.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
I am not alone
Ok a valid point and well made. I concede you are correct
As for the charges, I do not ride my bike after dusk muh lord.
Quite right too!
JonnyBlade
Live to Ride
- Location
- Gosport-Hampshire
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How do you sign a significant part of a city centre?
Interestingly you mention accidents. There's no history of bike/ped collisions in the shared-use pedestrianised centre of Birmingham, despite much of the area being unsigned on the ground.
We can all get on in shared areas. And we do. All day, every day. Blue signs don't change that. The stats and views on pavement cycling don't match the views of a few hot-heads and those who don't share the authorities' discretionary approach.
Who do you think might bring the risk?
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Well if pedestrians are strolling along and a fast moving cyclist appears it's not difficult to see who is at risk. The obvious answer is both parties of course. Safety works on the fact that not all path users will be aware cyclists are travelling along and may walk straight into one around a corner perhaps. Blue signs at least make people aware of possible hazards. DISCRETION is a wonderful thing when being brought to book. Beyond reasonable doubt and reasonably practicable are what count. The longer it continues the bigger the risk!
Your view on discretion being ok is dodgy to say the least.
Consider a guy on a road bike travelling at 20mph plus and a lady with young kids (running all over the place) that is a visitor to the area and unfamiliar with the councils discretionary lapse! There has to be a clear line of demarcation for safety sake
How do you sign a significant part of a city centre?
Interestingly you mention accidents. There's no history of bike/ped collisions in the shared-use pedestrianised centre of Birmingham, despite much of the area being unsigned on the ground.
We can all get on in shared areas. And we do. All day, every day. Blue signs don't change that. The stats and views on pavement cycling don't match the views of a few hot-heads and those who don't share the authorities' discretionary approach.
Who do you think might bring the risk?
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Well if pedestrians are strolling along and a fast moving cyclist appears it's not difficult to see who is at risk. The obvious answer is both parties of course. Safety works on the fact that not all path users will be aware cyclists are travelling along and may walk straight into one around a corner perhaps. Blue signs at least make people aware of possible hazards. DISCRETION is a wonderful thing when being brought to book. Beyond reasonable doubt and reasonably practicable are what count. The longer it continues the bigger the risk!
Your view on discretion being ok is dodgy to say the least.
Consider a guy on a road bike travelling at 20mph plus and a lady with young kids (running all over the place) that is a visitor to the area and unfamiliar with the councils discretionary lapse! There has to be a clear line of demarcation for safety sake
How so?
One set of lights has BS markings and is legal, the other doesn't and is illegal. Apart from the markings you can't tell them apart (as Angelfishsolo has commented)
One piece of pavement has blue signs and is legal, the other doesn't and is illegal. Apart from the signs you can't tell them apart.
Can you run the difference by me again?
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
The authorities can clearly see the blue signs, they can not see the minute markings on a light.
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
How do the police know if tinted windows are too dark?
Well some clearly are against the law and others are harder to judge by the eye.
The police are entitled to stop a cyclist and look at their lights in detail to see if they are legal.
Well some clearly are against the law and others are harder to judge by the eye.
The police are entitled to stop a cyclist and look at their lights in detail to see if they are legal.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
They're not minute and they are clearly visible if you look - but perhaps you are using your Nelson eye or heaven forbid, using illegal lights. At least you know where to look unlike the blue signs which could be anywhere, that is if they are not hidden by vegetation or missing completely.
Hold the front page!
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
Just to get this straight a police officer for eg could more easily see a kite mark on a light than a blue advisory sign?
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
Yawn.
Not actually the case...... lights can comply with the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 (amended in 1994, 1996, 2001, twice in 2005 and again in 2009) and be legal for use, but not comply with any of the British Standards.
Even so it is possible to perfectly use a light that complies with neither RVLR or British Standards if it does comply with any other European Standard. B&M lights are for instance legal as they have a German K classification.
Equally these laws only apply to the primary lighting.
All my bikes have a set of "legal" lights, but I also run a pair of Dinottes on the back and a 720 Lumen LED on the front. All these are perfectly "legal" as they are a backup system..... and therefore do not need to comply as I fulfil the law with the small cheap LEDs
Most Police take the attitude that if a cycle is well lit and not dazzling other road users ten that is fine, especially as in my case the presence of a BS / K / or other marking on the USE or Dinotte lights is completely irrelevant.
