Where's Cav Going?
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lukesdad
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Get out? He's just resigned for three years.
philipbh
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One less, now that Hushovd off to support Evans at BMC
Still, can't see MC playing nicely with Heinreich Haussler
Well this is the issue, although Sky may be the best choice for Cav, Cav's joining will stunt the development of these promising riders - as has been discussed many times.
Flying_Monkey
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Any team with a range of talented riders is going to have rivalries and people who don't like the set-up. The only teams that won't will be ones with a far more limited number of outstanding talent, and a load of obvious domestiques, and I don't think Cav is going to like being at a team of donkeys.
RecordAceFromNew
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According to your thesis, would you call the htc team in this year's Tour a team with rivals who don't like the set-up, or a team of donkeys that he didn't like?
Flying_Monkey
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Heh. It's clearly not just either / or...
HTC clearly had internal tensions and individual ambitions that were not being allowed to flourish - that's why Griepel left and it's why Renshaw is signing for a different team than Cavendish. Doesn't mean that HTC wasn't at the same time, highly professional, well-coached or that these people all hated each other. Far from it.
But HTC was a rather unusual team by today's standards as several others have pointed out. Teams oriented largely around an organised sprint train are few and far-between these days, and I think whichever team Cav goes to, it won't be like that. But then again I also think that Cav is good enough that he can adapt to a less specialized team environment. So I don't think, in the absence of HTC as an option, that Sky would be any worse than most of the other options he will have.
With regard to the Garmin rumour mill that seems to have established itself overnight, have I missed something about where Tyler Farrar is going to be based next year? Anyway, I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand as it seems an interesting proposition especially if Farrar can be persuaded to concentrate on the Classics. I'm inclined to agree a smaller team might be a good shout - or something like the Green Edge.
AS for all the talk of Cav needing a train, have we forgotten how he made his name in the first place? For the last couple of years HTC have delivered him perfectly to the line but you don't just turn pro and get given a lead out, you have to earn that. As Cavendish proved in his 1st (?) stage this year, he can win without a train and he used to do that regularly. He knows how to hold a wheel but he's also hard enough to switch wheels in a sprint in the manner of McEwen and Kelly. I'm not saying the existence of train won't have prejudiced his negotiations, nor am I saying he'll win 5 stages without one (he'd probably have to settle for 2 or 3), but the point is he is more than capable of winning without a whole team riding for him.
AS for all the talk of Cav needing a train, have we forgotten how he made his name in the first place? For the last couple of years HTC have delivered him perfectly to the line but you don't just turn pro and get given a lead out, you have to earn that. As Cavendish proved in his 1st (?) stage this year, he can win without a train and he used to do that regularly. He knows how to hold a wheel but he's also hard enough to switch wheels in a sprint in the manner of McEwen and Kelly. I'm not saying the existence of train won't have prejudiced his negotiations, nor am I saying he'll win 5 stages without one (he'd probably have to settle for 2 or 3), but the point is he is more than capable of winning without a whole team riding for him.
wildjetskier
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Just for a bit of gossip but Cav has been riding all week in Girona with Matt Wilson and David Millar.....Garmin boys, also Jeremy Hunt joined them...Sky, just old friends out for a training week......
oldroadman
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In Girona he could be out with any of several dozen pros. It's a place they seem to like to be. Don't read too much into anything like that.
On the Sky possibility, how does this "stunt the development" of younger riders? A team at their level is allowed up to 30 riders, and is often riding three races at any one time - so if they are in a major tour (9 riders), another race (maybe 6-8 riders) and yet another slightly lesser race (6 riders), that's at least 21-23 riders on the road at any one time. Take time out for rest periods, injury, specific event preparation, and there is plenty of work for everyone. Even when there is not a major tour, at least 18-20 riders will be in races somewhere.
On the Sky possibility, how does this "stunt the development" of younger riders? A team at their level is allowed up to 30 riders, and is often riding three races at any one time - so if they are in a major tour (9 riders), another race (maybe 6-8 riders) and yet another slightly lesser race (6 riders), that's at least 21-23 riders on the road at any one time. Take time out for rest periods, injury, specific event preparation, and there is plenty of work for everyone. Even when there is not a major tour, at least 18-20 riders will be in races somewhere.
How soon before the next real team event where we'd obviously know who's going where? - Is this not until 2012 now?
When does the HTC team dispand? I kinda thought he and Renshaw would go somewhere together but i can understand Renshaw looking after himself by going to a different team.
Either way it will be interesting where Cav goes and the repurcussions to that team to accomodate him.
When does the HTC team dispand? I kinda thought he and Renshaw would go somewhere together but i can understand Renshaw looking after himself by going to a different team.
Either way it will be interesting where Cav goes and the repurcussions to that team to accomodate him.
HLaB
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Well he's not off to Radobank, Renshaw has announced that he is not following Cav (Renshaw I believe is off to Radobank).
