Where have all the anti-vaxxers gone?

[C R]

I’ve read these posts, and I t tickles me that people are so ready to group into ‘them’ and ‘us’. Not as bad as the NZ premier, who happily confirms their ‘two tier society’, but not exactly a beacon of tolerance.

The anti vaxxers are consciously and deliberately refusing to take a simple measure that benefits the whole of society at a fairly negligible cost to themselves for no rational reason.

 

[Alex321]

I’ve read these posts, and I t tickles me that people are so ready to group into ‘them’ and ‘us’. Not as bad as the NZ premier, who happily confirms their ‘two tier society’, but not exactly a beacon of tolerance.

Quite right it is not a "beacon of tolerance". Nor should it be IMO.

This isn't about deeply held religious beliefs, or colour of skin or other inherent characteristic.

This is about people who are too selfish (or too gullible in some cases) to do a very tiny amount to help protect society and their fellow man.

Are you a "Beacon of tolerance" for those who choose to vandalise other people's property? Or even government property (such as the council bike rentals that have had to be shut down due to vandalism & theft)?

 

[KnittyNorah]

I’ve read these posts, and I t tickles me that people are so ready to group into ‘them’ and ‘us’. Not as bad as the NZ premier, who happily confirms their ‘two tier society’, but not exactly a beacon of tolerance.

Do you not realise that an infectious disease is somewhat different to a person and their characteristics?

There are legal, as well as medical, obligations and regulations around a great many diseases, especially dangerous infectious diseases, in every country which lays any claim to civilisation and a health service. C-19 is just one - the newest one, and currently one of the most common ones, at least in this country - among these diseases.

But if you don't realise, or accept, that an infectious disease is somewhat different to a person and their characteristics, you probably don't realise, either, that what is now generically known as vaccination is a centuries-old practice which has been protecting both humans and animals from the worst ravages of various infectious illnesses with significant degrees of success, all around the world.

It is (almost) entirely a person's own choice to get vaccinated, or not. That is not so in the case of a person's ethnic heritage, religion, gender, intellectual capacity etc and I take great offence at your comparison ......

 

[Punkawallah]

You missed out the mentally ill - one of the first sections of the community to suffer.

 

[C R]

You missed out the mentally ill - one of the first sections of the community to suffer.

Sorry, you've lost me. To suffer from what, COVID or antivax disinformation.

 

[KnittyNorah]

You missed out the mentally ill - one of the first sections of the community to suffer.

If you had read my post, you would have seen that I said AND OTHER VICTIMS, so as to miss out NO-ONE. Not the mentally ill, the developmentally-delayed, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the deaf, Communists, those with physical deformities and disabilities, political dissidents .... in fact the five million dead out of the total of eleven million.

And - if you insist on arguing about who was first in line for the concentration camps - I have been led to understand that the first concentration camp to be established, Dachau, was populated initially by Communists, and in later years, various experiments with mass killing machines culminated in 500 Soviet POWs being 'successfully' gassed to death with the pesticide Zyklon-B, which resulted in huge orders being placed for the chemical and the gassing apparatus.

My dad was sent into Bergen-Belsen just a day or two after its liberation, as an interpreter as he spoke both Yiddish and German fluently; the horrors he witnessed remained with him until the day of his (premature) death.

Attempting to equate the restrictions and inconveniences which may affect a person who refuses vaccination with the treatment afforded by the Nazis to one of their victims is nothing more or less than despicable.

 

[TheDoctor]

I’ve read these posts, and I t tickles me that people are so ready to group into ‘them’ and ‘us’. Not as bad as the NZ premier, who happily confirms their ‘two tier society’, but not exactly a beacon of tolerance.

There's a big difference between.'happily confirming' something and acknowledging it. The Maori population are generally poorer, less likely to be employed and more likely to have difficulties accessing healthcare. Should the NZ Premier ignore that?

 

[Punkawallah]

The NZ president was answering a question on whether her policy to exclude non-vaccinated people would create a two-tier society. She smilingly acknowledged this.

 

[KnittyNorah]

It is not the NZ premiere's policy which creates a two-tier society.

As long as those who cannot take the vaccine, or who do not respond to the vaccine, have suitable provisions made, any 'second tier' in society caused by voluntary non-vaccination is entirely the responsibility of the non-vaxxers themselves.

 

[fossyant]

You lose sympathy with the anti brigade when you've got vulnerable relatives who you can't see due to additional restrictions to protect them, or indeed, friends either long term ill with it, or can't mix with others due to their own health conditions. They can't risk even catching it after the jab.

 

[FishFright]

I’ve read these posts, and I t tickles me that people are so ready to group into ‘them’ and ‘us’. Not as bad as the NZ premier, who happily confirms their ‘two tier society’, but not exactly a beacon of tolerance.

Did you copy that from a jpeg on Facebook ?

 

[fossyant]

There is going to be many without jobs shortly, and indeed Uni courses. we're expecting drop outs from NHS related courses when mandatory jabs come in. As a Uni we won't enforce the rules, but if a Nurse/Physio want's to go on placement, then they will have to be jabbed. No placement, no qualification.

 

[KnittyNorah]

There is going to be many without jobs shortly, and indeed Uni courses. we're expecting drop outs from NHS related courses when mandatory jabs come in. As a Uni we won't enforce the rules, but if a Nurse/Physio want's to go on placement, then they will have to be jabbed. No placement, no qualification.

I fully expect there'll be an upsurge in 'private' courses which lead to quack registrations with dodgy 'regulatory bodies' - probably further funding the antics of the Kate Shemiranis and Piers Corbyns of this world.

 

[fossyant]

I fully expect there'll be an upsurge in 'private' courses which lead to quack registrations with dodgy 'regulatory bodies' - probably further funding the antics of the Kate Shemiranis and Piers Corbyns of this world.

You can't have dodgy bodies - it's NMC only for Nursing.

 

[KnittyNorah]

You can't have dodgy bodies - it's NMC only for Nursing.

I know it is and you know it is, but there are - and I believe will be a growth in - dodgy bodies which claim to offer 'qualifications' and 'registrations' in non-protected professional titles, and in quasi-professions with names that sound very similar/closely related to regulated ones ...