Where have all the anti-vaxxers gone?
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KnittyNorah
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Yes indeed - and any death is a tragedy, especially when as a result of something that is intended to save lives. However, many many more people would have died without the vaccine, and the actual risk of any of the vaccines is miniscule, by any calculation.
To use 'people have died because of the vaccine' as an excuse for this appallingly-irresponsible and plain stupid behaviour is like saying 'Most accidents happen in the home. Leave your home NOW to stay safe!'
Simply ridiculous.
ETA stats relating to deaths as a result of the vaccine are widely available; no-one is trying to keep them secret.
Landsurfer
Veteran
"Any death is a tragedy" ... well it’s not, is it ... lets be honest ... my mum died 3 years ago ... aged 94 .. fully in control of all her needs and desires ...it wasn’t a tragedy, she was worn out, tired after a life of war, love, more war, children and loads of happiness ....
In our society few deaths are a tragedy .. the rest are ok ...
In our society few deaths are a tragedy .. the rest are ok ...
KnittyNorah
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OK most unexpected deaths are a tragedy and many others are, too. A death as a result of something that is only intended to prevent death or disease is even more of a tragedy for all involved.
Johnno260
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Preventable deaths are a tragedy, in the case of all the unvaccinated clogging hospitals those were preventable, and then there is the knock on effect of hospitals cancelling other appointments as they’re clogged with COVID patients who are unvaccinated.
The fact remains the Covid vaccine is safer than other vaccines released or updated since 2011, last time I checked the numbers it was 0.013% of death from the Covid vaccine compared to 0.047 from the others.
The fact remains the Covid vaccine is safer than other vaccines released or updated since 2011, last time I checked the numbers it was 0.013% of death from the Covid vaccine compared to 0.047 from the others.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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This is where the anti mob latch on. Oh xx deaths after the jab. XXXXXXX deaths after Covid, not interested.
Mo1959
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Not just deaths though. Rare I know, but there have been other problems. One local guy I know. Fit and healthy. Absolutely no history of epilepsy/seizures took a bad seizure shortly after the jab and another while in hospital. Currently not allowed to drive until they are sure he is fit to drive again. Don't suppose he will ever know for sure if it was a reaction, but sounds mighty likely.This is where the anti mob latch on. Oh xx deaths after the jab. XXXXXXX deaths after Covid, not interested.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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But what might have been the reaction of full blown covid, death ?
Mate of mine is still on 18 hours a day oxygen therapy - got covid 12 months ago.
Johnno260
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And that's the point they always dodge, yes bad reactions will happen it's a given with any medication, even things over the shelf can have reaction Ibuprofen as an example, it's pro vs con.
Like you we know people who were fit none of the at risk category's had very mild Covid, one is in a wheel chair as they have zero stamina now their health just degraded after the inital illness, lung and heart scar tissue etc, I had a relative say it's psychological and they just need to stand up and get out the chair, RIP another relative.
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ebikeerwidnes
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Saw a link on a local newspaper comments section yesterday
I decided to see what it said
Yea Gods
total full on anti vax and pretty much everything else
but very well done - decent healines and started off telling people all about the problems with the vaccine
then started explaining why
LOTS of very small writing in large paragraphs - difficult to read
then some actual data
basically an increase in deaths of children 10-16 (I think) occurring at the same time as the vaccine started to be given to 12-15 year olds
49% increase and a 700% increase in one week
percentages are wonderful
start with a small number - then it increase by a little and the percentage increase can be huge
linked to ONS documents for the real data
VERY long clinical document giving full details of the vaccine including how to store and use it
relevant data came MUCH later and showed the actual numbers were very small - but in percentages it looked amazing if you presented it right
someone had spent a lot of time getting that data to look like the vaccines were bad - I cannot believe that it was done with 'good intent' by a real believer - it was too well fiddled to look bad - must have been done deliberatly to give a false impression
I'm not mentioning the site so as to not give it any publicity or hits
and I reported the comment on the newspaper site - I checked later and it was gone - which is good
Make me even more sure that a lot of this anti-vax 'data' and articles are produced with deliberate bad intent rather than true believers trying to 'inform' people
They fiddle the data and provide link to it then lets people spread the headlines on social media
there is proper evil going on here!
I decided to see what it said
Yea Gods
total full on anti vax and pretty much everything else
but very well done - decent healines and started off telling people all about the problems with the vaccine
then started explaining why
LOTS of very small writing in large paragraphs - difficult to read
then some actual data
basically an increase in deaths of children 10-16 (I think) occurring at the same time as the vaccine started to be given to 12-15 year olds
49% increase and a 700% increase in one week
percentages are wonderful
start with a small number - then it increase by a little and the percentage increase can be huge
linked to ONS documents for the real data
VERY long clinical document giving full details of the vaccine including how to store and use it
relevant data came MUCH later and showed the actual numbers were very small - but in percentages it looked amazing if you presented it right
someone had spent a lot of time getting that data to look like the vaccines were bad - I cannot believe that it was done with 'good intent' by a real believer - it was too well fiddled to look bad - must have been done deliberatly to give a false impression
I'm not mentioning the site so as to not give it any publicity or hits
and I reported the comment on the newspaper site - I checked later and it was gone - which is good
Make me even more sure that a lot of this anti-vax 'data' and articles are produced with deliberate bad intent rather than true believers trying to 'inform' people
They fiddle the data and provide link to it then lets people spread the headlines on social media
there is proper evil going on here!
KnittyNorah
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- The Frozen North (of England)
I have a much younger friend who was an outdoor pursuits instructor, ran supermarathons, did Ironwoman competitions, sea swimming etc.
Her 'bout' with C-19 was fairly early last year; it wasn't too bad in that she wasn't hospitalised at any stage; she felt utterly rotten and washed out after 3 weeks of coughing, being short of breath and ten days or so of fever, but from the time she 'should' have started to recover, she was simply 'static'.
Concerted efforts by a very good GP and an excellent physio team saw her very pleased that by last November she had improved to the standard of being able to walk 500 yards to the village shop with only one short break to sit down and rest. Now - over a year after getting it - she can manage to walk to the village shop without the rest break. She is having hydrotherapy and cannot yet manage to swim the length of the small, warm pool in which the sessions are held. The damage done to her body by this virus appears to be permanent.
Anti-vaxxers can make of that what they will.
Johnno260
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@KnittyNorah That mirrors our friends symptoms they weren't hospitalized and the initial illness was mild but her health and stamina just collapsed, like you said she is happy if she can walk to the car from her house now.
Rusty Nails
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Any vaccine has a tiny risk of reaction, including, in the most extreme cases, death. Read the instructions in many drugs, which also have a similar risk. I had a heart operation last week in which I had to sign a form accepting death as a possibility.
What number or percentage of those having been jabbed died because of the vaccine, and not just died after having it? There is a difference. A reputable source would be helpful. You jab a million people and a number of those would have died anyway in that period, especially the older they are.
How does this compare with percentage of people with other jabs dying as a result, e.g. measles, flu, or people without the jab dying?
Without accurate figures for this all anti-vax stuff is just primitive mumbo-jumbo. You obviously know those accurate figures so what figures exactly do the government want to keep from us?
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DCBassman
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Vaccines work. These are as safe as any others. Why question what so demonstrably is a life-saving practice?
Much, much safer than walking out of your front door.
Much, much safer than walking out of your front door.
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