MacB
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what, just the one of you?
What happened to global warming then?
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what, just the one of you?
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User482
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What you believe is immaterial: what I'm interested in is what you can prove. Nothing you have presented so far supports your assertion. I'm not making any kind of claim about Mann so there is no onus on me to provide anything at all. You might also stop the cheap insults: they do little to enhance your already weak case.
Flying_Monkey
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1. Insults often indicate a failing argument as well as a lack of manners;
2. You clearly try to discredit the large and diverse group of researchers associated with RC by association with Mann, and you do it again after this post;
3. Mann's earlier research is acknowledged as having flaws - that is not the same as saying that he is liar who falsifies data - the thing is that a lot of research since has confirmed the trends he identified, as you should know - so again, don't try to mislead people that anything particularly important depends on Mann' earlier work any more;
4. Congressional or parliamentary inquiries do not arbitrate or settle scientific questions;
5. I don't get my knowledge just from reading RC - you make rather too many assumptions. I am a working academic, and I have some modest qualifications in environmental science and have even taught environmental management in university - I keep up with the literature and RC does help direct me to particular papers and controversies;
6. More ad-hominem from you on Connelly - what do you think is so dubious about his involvement with the Greens? It's hardly surprising that a knowledge of the research would lead some people in that direction. You seem to be implying that someone expressing a political view is in itself problematic for their research... is there a politics you think scientists should have as private individuals?
I am not sure quite why you are so hostile and aggressive on the subject. There is really no need.
I am really not. You weighed into me describing my (very general and non-controversial) comments as ''airy''. Then you suggested that I might improve my understanding by reading RC. Then you suggested that I might bring CC down by engaging in libel. But it was really only your description of ''the travesty'' of my posts being a deliberate attempt to mislead others'' that led me to call you self-important.
But you know what, it really doesn't matter what I think of you. The main thing is that you're OK with it.
I don't really agree with your other 5 points either, but am losing the will to live here... gonna jump on my bike instead. Let me just be clear that I have no issues with the Green Party, and as to making too many assumptions - pot, kettle and black.
What I believe kind of matters to me
A bit more than what you are interested in, in fact. You can believe what you like about Mann, it really makes no difference to anything.
You and jonesy seem to think that you are conducting some kind of court hearing, and that some of us are obliged to present you with evidence to strengthen our ''weak case''. I have news for you - you're not, and I am not.
A second person in two posts to accuse me of being insulting. Really? I've re-read my post, and I just don't see the insult
I know that ''self-imporatnt'' is kinda insulting, if you don't see yourself that way, but I just don't see anything insulting in my last post towards you. But if I have caused you insult inadvertently then you have my apologies.
You know what? That is a pretty big statement. I have to conclude that you find it hard to interpret information.
Is that insulting? Sorry.
Archie_tect
De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
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Cn we stop this cross fire stuff and lose the egos.
VamP, FM, Jonesy and User482 have a lot of information and more expertise than most that I find both interesting and informative. I want to continue to be able to enjoy gaining more insight into the problems and contribute in my own way- this won't happen you don't agree to differ and discuss the subject itself.
VamP, FM, Jonesy and User482 have a lot of information and more expertise than most that I find both interesting and informative. I want to continue to be able to enjoy gaining more insight into the problems and contribute in my own way- this won't happen you don't agree to differ and discuss the subject itself.
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Brandane
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Clash of the Climate Titans - its a fascinating thread. Keep it up chaps!
Not according to FlyingMonkey (hope I'm not leaving myself open to libel here!):
Now if I found a thread to be depressingly stupid, I wouldn't waste my time reading it; never mind posting on it.
Having started the thread I soon bailed out as it is clear there are folks on here with far more knowledge and insight of the subject, from both sides of the fence. I am enjoying learning more about the subject, but remain cynical about the politicians cherry-picking the bits of research that it suits them to believe.
You've also got to consider everyone's financial interests too - including the scientific community who's grants are hard won, but often quite substantial.
Then there's the egos of those who feel research brings prestige; and in the middle of all the money, power, and political manoeuvring there is some actual real science.
To back 40 years and you wouldn't be able to raise beans for a 'Green' project - very different now!!
It's an interesting topic and we have some knowledgeable people involved - maybe widen the scope and look to the future a bit and you'd move it onto a less contentious plateau (and yes, the irony of using "less" contentious about environmental science was deliberate!!
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Cheers,
Shaun
Then there's the egos of those who feel research brings prestige; and in the middle of all the money, power, and political manoeuvring there is some actual real science.
To back 40 years and you wouldn't be able to raise beans for a 'Green' project - very different now!!
It's an interesting topic and we have some knowledgeable people involved - maybe widen the scope and look to the future a bit and you'd move it onto a less contentious plateau (and yes, the irony of using "less" contentious about environmental science was deliberate!!
)Cheers,
Shaun
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User482
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As I said earlier, I have no view on Mann. Nothing you have presented is in the slightest bit persuasive, so I still have no view on Mann.What I believe kind of matters to me
A bit more than what you are interested in, in fact. You can believe what you like about Mann, it really makes no difference to anything.
You and jonesy seem to think that you are conducting some kind of court hearing, and that some of us are obliged to present you with evidence to strengthen our ''weak case''. I have news for you - you're not, and I am not.
A second person in two posts to accuse me of being insulting. Really? I've re-read my post, and I just don't see the insult
I know that ''self-imporatnt'' is kinda insulting, if you don't see yourself that way, but I just don't see anything insulting in my last post towards you. But if I have caused you insult inadvertently then you have my apologies.
If you wish for your claim that Mann is a liar and a cheat to be taken seriously, then show where he has lied and cheated. Otherwise you're just some guy on the internet with a grudge.
jonesy
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For example...?
Flying_Monkey
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So you make accusations and claims then can't back them up, imply greater knowledge but can't demonstrate it, and refuse to respond to refutations of your previous claims or to answer reasonable questions. It is interesting how in these circumstances riding your bike becomes something that beckons in a way that it apparently didn't before... enjoy the fresh air!
