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figbat

Slippery scientist
Yes of course ..but if you want it in your head unit to route you there you can't just ping it across...you have to use the cross hairs to select the spot on the Roam map.

There is a “Take me to…” option in the Wahoo ELEMNT phone app. You use a search just like in Google Maps and it will create a route to your chosen destination which you can then send to the head unit.

Units like the ELEMNT Bolt and Roam are not intended to be completely standalone, the accompanying app adds a lot of additional capability.
 

figbat

Slippery scientist
There is a “Take me to…” option in the Wahoo ELEMNT phone app. You use a search just like in Google Maps and it will create a route to your chosen destination which you can then send to the head unit.

Units like the ELEMNT Bolt and Roam are not intended to be completely standalone, the accompanying app adds a lot of additional capability.

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yello

back and brave
Location
France
Another factor for me, as someone invested in Garmin, is the compatibility of my 5 cadence sensors (GSC10) to any new other brand unit. Yes, ANT and all that but I'd want to be 100% aware before switching. Plus price of new mounts. HRM belt is less of an issue but a consideration.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Another factor for me, as someone invested in Garmin, is the compatibility of my 5 cadence sensors (GSC10) to any new other brand unit. Yes, ANT and all that but I'd want to be 100% aware before switching. Plus price of new mounts. HRM belt is less of an issue but a consideration.

The only way round that is suck it and see. Given "ANT and all that" I'd assume they would work, but in that case I'd check as soon as I switched the unit on, before I did anything else. Then you could return it if your experiment failed.
 

yello

back and brave
Location
France
The only way round that is suck it and see. Given "ANT and all that" I'd assume they would work, but in that case I'd check as soon as I switched the unit on, before I did anything else. Then you could return it if your experiment failed.

I'd assume so too, given it's 'ANT and all that'... but that's invariably the cue for the techie guy to say 'ah, but there's ANT and there's ANT'. I try to be aware of such assumptions. Equally, I try not to venture into 'trial and error' territory as I want to avoid having to return stuff. It makes me feel awkward and, to a degree, stupid to have to do so. I like to ask the stupid question in advance, avoid the 'oh, I thought' aftermath and get caste iron guarantees before buying! I'm a pain in the bum like that - a hard sell. I acknowledge it, I'm prone to being a pedantic, awkward sod.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
I'd assume so too, given it's 'ANT and all that'... but that's invariably the cue for the techie guy to say 'ah, but there's ANT and there's ANT'. I try to be aware of such assumptions. Equally, I try not to venture into 'trial and error' territory as I want to avoid having to return stuff. It makes me feel awkward and, to a degree, stupid to have to do so. I like to ask the stupid question in advance, avoid the 'oh, I thought' aftermath and get caste iron guarantees before buying! I'm a pain in the bum like that - a hard sell. I acknowledge it, I'm prone to being a pedantic, awkward sod.

I think you're stuck :smile:

No one will give you a cast iron guarantee, because, as you say, "there's ANT and there's ANT" and if your cadence sensors are from different brands no one will guarantee anything.

So trial and error/return seems to be your only way. And you don't want to do that.

And if they did give you a CIG (like my new TLA?) you'd still have to test it and possibly need to return it if their CIG proved to be not worth the paper it's not written on.
 

yello

back and brave
Location
France
I think you're stuck :smile:

Yup. Why do you think I've still got an 18 year old device*? It can be a bummer living in my world.

*in fairness, it works for me just fine and there's no need to look for anything else. Sure, the battery life is not as good as it used to be but it's not like I do the big rides any more. I guess if it clapped out completely then I'd have to take the plunge. That's maybe why I look at these new devices and wonder - think of my stupid questions well in advance.
 

Dadam

Über Member
Location
SW Leeds
I just started musing on this for no reason (apart from work is boring). An alternative might be a cheap 2nd phone?

I get why someone wouldn't want to bolt their posh smartphone to their handlebars, and the battery life isn't great for long rides with nav on, etc etc but older android phones can be picked up for peanuts. Some even have ant+ compatibility. You have a massive choice of apps for nav, probably quite a few for data display too. Even the crappiest smartphone has a bigger, better screen than all the cycle computers. You could always carry a small powerpack to keep the battery topped up.

Not something I'm bothered about investigating now I'm invested in the Garmin ecosystem but it bears consideration.
 

Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
I just started musing on this for no reason (apart from work is boring). An alternative might be a cheap 2nd phone?

I get why someone wouldn't want to bolt their posh smartphone to their handlebars, and the battery life isn't great for long rides with nav on, etc etc but older android phones can be picked up for peanuts. Some even have ant+ compatibility. You have a massive choice of apps for nav, probably quite a few for data display too. Even the crappiest smartphone has a bigger, better screen than all the cycle computers. You could always carry a small powerpack to keep the battery topped up.

Not something I'm bothered about investigating now I'm invested in the Garmin ecosystem but it bears consideration.

Battery life is not just "not great", it really is pretty lousy compared to any stand alone unit. But if you are only doing short rides (1-2 hours max), that is not teh biggest issue. The biggest issue with using your phone, and the main reason I bought a GOS unit, is visibility. Bike GPS units are designed for outdoor use, with high contrast and low reflectivity. Phones aren't.
 
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PaulSB

Squire
I just started musing on this for no reason (apart from work is boring). An alternative might be a cheap 2nd phone?

I get why someone wouldn't want to bolt their posh smartphone to their handlebars, and the battery life isn't great for long rides with nav on, etc etc but older android phones can be picked up for peanuts. Some even have ant+ compatibility. You have a massive choice of apps for nav, probably quite a few for data display too. Even the crappiest smartphone has a bigger, better screen than all the cycle computers. You could always carry a small powerpack to keep the battery topped up.

Not something I'm bothered about investigating now I'm invested in the Garmin ecosystem but it bears consideration.

I disagree with this for five reasons:

  • The choice of cycling specific navigation apps is similar on a phone as a bespoke device.
  • Phone screens are not easier to read than a purpose designed GPS unit
  • In the event of a fall a phone screen is more likely to break
  • Battery life is very poor in this situation especially if using an older second-hand phone
  • Who wants to stop to recharge a phone? Riding with a power pack attached to the phone is unreliable.
 
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