ColinJ
Puzzle game procrastinator!
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- Todmorden - Yorks/Lancs border
Sorry - a 'partial penilectomy'!
Weight Watcher's Thread
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Archie_tect
De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
- Location
- Northumberland
Apparently, according to several websites [and Mrs A_T's opinion] you really need to eat/ drink a base level of 1200 calories a day otherwise your body assumes starvation rations and your metabolism slows down reducing your ability to metabolise fat... + try a minimum of half an hour a day of cardiovascular/ muscular exercise in your house- no need to go outside or to a gym- balancing/ stretching/ simple sit-ups and push ups would do to start with and lifting exercises starting with 2 full bottles of water then progressing to full 2 litre bottles. If you can break a sweat over a half an hour session you're doing enough to start.
Yep gaining weight big time. If I could walk to hospital it wouldn't be so bad but knee won't take 4 x 3 mile walks a day. I struggle with one.
Not having that. I notice no fall off in ability to exercise. Now if you were to do no exercise then your body would lose muscle anyway as you don't need it.
Archie_tect
De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
- Location
- Northumberland
You're right brand, not eating doesn't prohibit your ability to exercise- it's just that without a base level of calories every day our bodies send chemical signals to our brains [apparently] to conserve energy so our metabolism slows and we use fewer calories day to day....
Well it won't effect me for a while as am in Manchester seeing my mother in hospital. To be fair I should be continuing the 5:2 diet as she is not here to nag me but I can't be arsed. Which makes it all the more depressing being in Manchester and not in Lincolnshire that is.
Archie_tect
De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
- Location
- Northumberland
I was wondering about the 5:2 diet, because you'd expect people to have mentioned the slower metabolism effect if it's true... perhaps it takes a lot longer than 2 days for the starvation mode to kick in... I'll have a ferret on Google!
Hope your mum's OK.
Hope your mum's OK.
ColinJ
Puzzle game procrastinator!
- Location
- Todmorden - Yorks/Lancs border
Let's see what Michael Mosley (5:2 doctor) has to say about that (LINK) ...
Q: Will it put me into ‘starvation mode’?
A: This is another very common myth. The initial response of your body to a reduction in calories is to increase your metabolic rate. This is because, in our hunter-gatherer past, survival in times of food shortage would have depended on our becoming more active, going out to hunt and look for food. Only under conditions of extreme calorie deprivation, when we have been for weeks without enough food and our body fat has fallen dramatically does the body go into “starvation mode”. IF is not the same as crash dieting. Starvation mode does not happen if you cut your calories for a day!!
No she isn't. Having to put her in a residential home to avoid a worthless pair of grandchildren looking after her as my drug addict brother just disappeared to Spain without leaving any way of contacting him?? Been here for 2 weeks, feels like a lifetime. Visited 8 maybe 10 homes twice. 2nd visit later maybe 6-7pm. Found one home which was almost a last hope putting there "inmates" to bed at 6pm. C****. Had to bluff my way in to a few places (due to lastness) apart from the latter most were good. Where I live one bus a week but here alway catching the wrong bus or getting off at the wrong stop. Last place was best. Staggeringly the so-called non profit making ones were by far the most expensive AND not the best. To be fair not bad either. But £400 a week privately owned (really good but no vacancies) compared to "non profit" £750 and £660. As it happened best was £445 privately owned. A real beauty. Loved the place promised they would supply free cake and meals when I was visiting.... a deal breaker. Another 10 days and I will escape from this shoot hole. Apples are almost finished not speck of cider made. Such is.
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Archie_tect
De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
- Location
- Northumberland
Free cake... sounds like a good place!
... best of luck brand.
... best of luck brand.
mgarl10024
Über Member
- Location
- Bristol
What a great thread.
As someone who is 17st 6lbs (111kg), and 5,10 (177cm), my BMI is 35.4.
My GP is advising that Blood Pressure and Glucose levels are rising, so I'm keen to turn this around.
Trouble is, my diet is pretty good but not perfect, and I work a 60hr week (sitting at a desk or on a bus).
I think the main areas for me will be trying to get those activity levels up, and those portions down.
I've just skimmed the last few pages but will have to read more.
As someone who is 17st 6lbs (111kg), and 5,10 (177cm), my BMI is 35.4.
My GP is advising that Blood Pressure and Glucose levels are rising, so I'm keen to turn this around.
Trouble is, my diet is pretty good but not perfect, and I work a 60hr week (sitting at a desk or on a bus).
I think the main areas for me will be trying to get those activity levels up, and those portions down.
I've just skimmed the last few pages but will have to read more.
The original Michael Mosely programme on this was to do with reducing the IGF hormone in the body, which it does, but the weight loss aspect is the one which has grabbed people's attention.
The 5:2 diet is really just a small modifciation to Alternate Day Fasting which is studied in the peer literature, for example:
Alternate day fasting for weight loss in normal weight and overweight subjects: a randomized controlled trial
Conclusion: These findings suggest that ADF is effective for weight loss and cardio-protection in normal weight and overweight adults, though further research implementing larger sample sizes is required before solid conclusion can be reached.
or
Dietary and physical activity adaptations to alternate day modified fasting: implications for optimal weight loss
Conclusion: These findings indicate that obese subjects quickly adapt to ADMF, and that changes in energy/
macronutrient intake, hunger, and maintenance of physical activity play a role in influencing rate of weight loss by
ADMF.
ADF is one of a number of intermittent fasting schedules but there is no real surprise in why it works for many people. It is not alchemy. The fasting days require the subject to eat 25% of what they normally eat whereas the feast days are unrestricted. However, it has been observed that although people do eat more, it tends to be around 125% of their normal intake. So in a six day cycle they have 3 x 125% and 3 x 25% of their normal calorie intake, saving 150% of what they would otherwise eat in a 6 days period. It's just calorie reduction but psychologically more acceptable for many people who think that calorie control involves eating lettuce and spring onions.
You can of course prepare and cook your own food and eat healthily and lose weight, if you have spare time. Many people don't however and the day dominated by travel and work. If one is more or less forced to keep eating the same stuff, mostly fast food, convenience food or ready meals, ADF regimes are a promising solution.
The Jogger
Legendary Member
- Location
- Spain
A combination of 5:2 or ADF with a High Fat Low Carb on eat days is perfect for not only losing weight but also reducing glucose and the risk of many diseases.
After years of working with the same small, fit & healthy group, I am now working part-time at a hospital, I was shocked at how many NHS staff are fat (in a workplace surrounded by healthy eating info) and the admin bods, well, they sit in small rooms (often windowless), all day, they are 75%+ obese! It's hard to see how they can do anything but put on weight.
1000's of staff and I can count the cycles on one hand.
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ColinJ
Puzzle game procrastinator!
- Location
- Todmorden - Yorks/Lancs border
I feel like I am within about 7 pounds of the size I want to get to now. I am down to a 34 inch waist from a maximum of nearly 55 inches. It would be nice to lose another couple of inches but no big deal if I don't.
The last stubborn fat is starting to shift and I think that will go in the spring once I start upping my cycling miles after the winter.
After that, I will have to start eating more to maintain that weight. That's a problem that I am looking forward to having!
The last stubborn fat is starting to shift and I think that will go in the spring once I start upping my cycling miles after the winter.
After that, I will have to start eating more to maintain that weight. That's a problem that I am looking forward to having!
