Flying_Monkey
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That isn't really the point of the report. The point is that one of the longest-standing deniers has finally stopped wiggling and admitted that what everyone knew was true, was true.
Ullrich admits doping....
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That isn't really the point of the report. The point is that one of the longest-standing deniers has finally stopped wiggling and admitted that what everyone knew was true, was true.
shouldbeinbed
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interesting misrepresentative snippet of quote. I'm not defending or condoning doping, simply recognising the reality of the times.
400bhp
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No-one has said you were defending or condoning, but you haven't recognised the reality of the times, which is what flying monkey posted to help you try and understand.
shouldbeinbed
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if everyone is doping bar one, then that one is at a performance disadvantage. Its become increasingly transparent that the major players around Ullrich's level were pretty well all doping, by direct implication and in many cases their own admission, the gains they made in their individual performances in the hope of coming out on top were negated by the gains made by those around them of roughly equal natural ability and a similar syringe full of help. everyone was made superman so none of them were superman.
shouldbeinbed
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This is just words, really.
smutchin
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Your use of that phrase in this context is entirely representative of someone who has done zero reading up on the subject, which your subsequent post proves emphatically.
http://inrng.com/2012/10/level-playing-field-doping-myth/
ColinJ
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I have been following pro cycling for about 25 years now, so I started just before EPO abuse became widespread and it was obvious to me at the time that something sinister was going on as speeds went up, at the same time as riders appeared to be suffering less.
This talk about 'levelling the playing field' - b*llocks! As mentioned above, 'all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others'!
Things were not very equal for those who wanted to compete honestly, or for those who could not afford to cheat, or who didn't want to risk their health.
Young pro cyclists were clotting to death in their sleep in the early 90s before the doctors worked out how they could cheat more safely. Their playing fields were not particularly level! (I nearly died of clotting last year so I am particularly shocked that so many otherwise healthy young athletes condemned themselves to early graves that way.)
The drug users and blood-dopers were cheats. Some of them became wealthy cheats and they do not seem in a hurry to hand the money back, even though they obtained it illegally. Some of them were likeable cheats (Ullrich, Basso ...) and some were not (Armstrong, Ricco ...) but they were all still cheats!
It's good that Ullrich has finally owned up, but he took way too long.
This talk about 'levelling the playing field' - b*llocks! As mentioned above, 'all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others'!
Things were not very equal for those who wanted to compete honestly, or for those who could not afford to cheat, or who didn't want to risk their health.
Young pro cyclists were clotting to death in their sleep in the early 90s before the doctors worked out how they could cheat more safely. Their playing fields were not particularly level! (I nearly died of clotting last year so I am particularly shocked that so many otherwise healthy young athletes condemned themselves to early graves that way.)
The drug users and blood-dopers were cheats. Some of them became wealthy cheats and they do not seem in a hurry to hand the money back, even though they obtained it illegally. Some of them were likeable cheats (Ullrich, Basso ...) and some were not (Armstrong, Ricco ...) but they were all still cheats!
It's good that Ullrich has finally owned up, but he took way too long.
deptfordmarmoset
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And the pigs won.
T.M.H.N.E.T
Rainbows aren't just for world champions
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Rider A 35 Haematocrit
Rider B 46 Haematocrit
Both dope to 50.1 - Rider A benefits more than rider B. So they while they test the same end figure, the rider with the lower starting Haematocrit will always stand to gain more.
There was never a level playing field with EPO.
deptfordmarmoset
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Has anyone decrypted Armstrong's twitter reference to ''toeing the line" yet?
I assume it just means that he enjoyed being on the start line with Ullrich - i.e.racing against him.
threebikesmcginty
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You'd have to be quite supple to hold a rolled up fiver with your toes and get a snort in.
Ullrich deserves it but it would be creepy having Armstrong call you 'my friend'.
Isn't it as simple as following:
trying to get as close as possible to (or walking) the line of "undetectability"
(Or am I misinterpreting the English?)