UK SUV Petition

[albion]

https://nation.cymru/news/first-minister-visits-st-brides-major-to-see-impact-of-20mph-speed-limit/

"Since then, Spain has reported 20% fewer urban road deaths, and fatalities have reduced by 34% for cyclists and 24% for pedestrians.
The Welsh Government has said research shows the 20mph default speed limit could save £92m a year by reducing the number of deaths and injuries."

I suppose they could trial larger cars at 20mph in England

 

[Alex321]

The utility vehicle bit came about as a means to avoid making vehicles that were better for the environment. We could have helped mitigate the effects of climate change many years ago and yet we carry this on. We don't allow heavy goods in the third lane so why allow utility vehicles. They can still overtake in the other lanes.

We do allow heavy goods, just not articulated vehicles. Which includes cars towing caravans or other trailers. But non-articulated heavy goods vehicles are allowed in the 3d lane, as are buses/coaches. It is nothing to do with weight.

And you just said "the fast lane", you didn't say anything about when there are three or more lanes. Quite a few stretches of motorway only have 2 lanes.

But the main issue with banning "utility vehicles" from the outside lane (apart from the fact nobody is likely to perceive any benefit to it)when there are three or more would be the issue of definition. Just how do you define these vehicles that are no longer to be allowed in that lane?

 

[Jameshow]

We do allow heavy goods, just not articulated vehicles. Which includes cars towing caravans or other trailers. But non-articulated heavy goods vehicles are allowed in the 3d lane, as are buses/coaches. It is nothing to do with weight.

And you just said "the fast lane", you didn't say anything about when there are three or more lanes. Quite a few stretches of motorway only have 2 lanes.

But the main issue with banning "utility vehicles" from the outside lane (apart from the fact nobody is likely to perceive any benefit to it)when there are three or more would be the issue of definition. Just how do you define these vehicles that are no longer to be allowed in that lane?

Anything with leather seats... There job done!

 

[matticus]

Everybody has tall cars now, so that boat has sailed. I suspect if any SUV hits my saloon, it (my car) will probably slice under a SUV and flip it, but I'll have to duck. It's got a long raked bonnet to absorb the mess.

I'm having visions of Robot Wars stylee tactics. Bring it on!

 

[matticus]

Paris first looked at banning SUVs in 2004.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5173494

 

[Drago]

Yet the very people that call for such petitions likely have Amazon and Ebay accounts, and their spending habits contribute to the escalating number of HGVs and kamikaze delivery vans on our roads.

 

[matticus]

Yet the very people that call for such petitions likely have Amazon and Ebay accounts, and their spending habits continue to the number of HGVs and kamikaze delivery vans on our roads.

If it makes you feel better you CAN say the "H word" here; go on, try it, you can work upto it slowly if you like.
H
Hyp..
Hypoc ...

I know you want to!

 

[Drago]

Sadly young Matticus I can onky say the word ten times a day, and I'm usually all used up by breakfast.

 

[albion]

Yet the very people that call for such petitions likely have Amazon and Ebay accounts, and their spending habits contribute to the escalating number of HGVs and kamikaze delivery vans on our roads.

20mph and kamikaze do not sit well together.

 

[albion]

Interesting addition.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9nqpprmpqo.amp
"Jersey Police reported that 64% of Jersey casualties were vulnerable road users including pedestrians, cyclists, motorcyclists and occasionally horse riders, compared to 36% in the UK "

So, it looks like lower speeds mean drivers are at a low risk, unlike pedestrians and cyclists where casualties remain high.
The jersey wide speed limit is currently 40mph.

 

[albion]

Worth noting that the reason the SUV is very popular is so that averages mean someone else is the victim, not them.

The problem with 30mph + in cities is that all none drivers are the victim. One trip and you are dead, as per recent news.

 

[mustang1]

Some points:
1. I thought SUVs started to become popular when the old GTI style cars became prohibitively expensive to insure so people still wanted something cool to be seen in this turning to SUVs.

2. Ban anything over 2 tons to use the third lane.

3. Investigate taxing cars based on footprint size and weight. It get rid of some other tax, really, we are over taxed.

 

[Drago]

3. Investigate taxing cars based on footprint size and weight. It get rid of some other tax, really, we are over taxed.

The Drago Quotient (tm) rears its ugly head again!

https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/car-tax-again.292825/

 

[albion]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66753122.amp

One politician promises to increase speed limits so don't trip up.

 

[Drago]

I find it deliciously ironic that we have a 70mph motorway speed limit, mainly as the result of a full on frothing-at-the-mouth Daily Mail campaign, and when the police now try to enforce it the very same chipwrapper is up in arms about it.