UCI Waives the Rules? Yet again!!

[RabbitFood]

Rabbitfood - a little while longer on this forum and you will be TOLD why everyone hates Lance!!!!! Folk are only to happy to tell you what a "meaniee" he is!

Except for me

Well I am sure that I will find out soon enough im jsut scared to really ask the question as most seem pi**ed off about it, but if i am honest I am curious to know, is it because everyone thinks he did drugs but never got caught? And lets be honest what do the poeple interested in a sport really knows what goes on!!!

 

[rich p]

It's been done to death on here but it's a good question still. Most people who have read the books and followed the sport for years reckon that the evidence points to some drug use at some time. Most of the evidence is circumstantial but in toto it's quite compelling. That is why for me; allied to the arrogance of LA in that he appears to think that he's bigger than the sport, the carping on as if he's just discovered cancer and needs to tell everyone about it.
That'll do for starters. I did start off admiring him but gradually that faith was eroded.

 

[RabbitFood]

thats a fair comment and as i said as a neewbiee dont want to be seen to starting anying im more curious to know both side sof the story because from an outside point of view like i have had for many years he comes across as god if that makes sence.

but i can see both sides of the story, also are any racers clean??

Ops so should not of said that

 

[Zorro]

Just to play devils advocate here...

Isn't it well known that pro riders are all on EPO and alike???

 

[mangaman]

His bullying of Bassons and Simeoni was childish and arrogant in the extreme IMHO

Even if everyone was on EPO you didn't see others seemingly so obviously trying to silence any debate.

 

[andy_wrx]

...apart from from Tex's best mate McQuaid of course !

 

[HeartAttack]

Is there nothing the UCI won't do to their rulebook to aid a certain Mr (I'm the most tested athlete ever) Armstrong?
After allowing him to start the TDU to which he was ineligible. They now allow him to race The Tour of Gila after lobbying by the USCA.
This constant "interpretation" of rules when it relates to the man who appears to be bigger than the sport he indulges in, will, IMO eventually blow-up in the faces of all concerned. The rules are there to be followed by everyone, even if you don't agree or it is inconvenient. The UCI and the big tour bosses are doing everything they can to make sure they create a spectacle at this year's Giro and Tour and to hell with the other riders!

Does this really affect you? are you being excluded from doing something because he has been allowed to race? taken your place maybe??

If not what is your prob? you are just sitting there moaning about something you don't know all the facts about, giving your personal views and making them out to be something more important than they are, for gods sake get a life as until things like this actually affect you in person you are nothing more than a moaning old nanny with nothing better to do than have a gripe!

He effectively 'failed' a dope check. Walking away for 30 mins to take a shower could have allowed him time to adjust his subsequent dope check to ensure it was clear. To claim it was a mistake just does not wash, he knows the rules (probably better than most). This leaves the rather obvious conclusion that the 30 min delay was to allow him to sort out his blood/urine.

LOL, I see you have zero knowledge of the anti doping systems or how to disguise mis use of banned substances, as you think a 30 min shower is long enough to both have a full blood transfusion and also to drain your water system and replace it with clean untainted urine, shoot that lot would take a fully equiped hospital a couple of hours, not forgetting the time it takes for your body to replace the urine to a level that can be tested with the correct PH level.

Yes he knows the rules about leaving the sight of the tester, however if what was said is right the tester gave the OK for him to do this, its not normal but it can and does happen.



As for Lance being a bully, so what, he wanted to win, he has a winners attitude and I respect that in anyone who is willing to make sacrifices to get to the top, bully or not.

Any one who thinks taking part is the most important part is talking a load of old bollocks, and have never even tried to get to the top level. To get to the top takes guts, determination, sacrifice and a shed load of cash, if you think giving all these to be a nobody is what its all for then you are living in cloud cuckoo land, people only do this to get to the top and thats what makes winners, knowing that giving 100% is not enough, giving up almost anything is what is needed and those that get there normally have given it all up to get there. Go and ask Chris Hoy what he's done to get to where he is now, it sure as hell wasn't by being Mr Nice guy on the track, I bet he has a killers attitude when he rolls out to race, no different to Lance, period!!

 

[gillan]

heart attack

its not on the track/road that's the problem with armstrong, its off it. the comparison with Hoy is way off the mark

Hoy only ever receives admiration from those around (especially off the track)

With regard to his missing minutes, are you suggesting there was NO way he could manipulate anything in that time?

 

[HeartAttack]

heart attack

its not on the track/road that's the problem with armstrong, its off it. the comparison with Hoy is way off the mark

Hoy only ever receives admiration from those around (especially off the track)

With regard to his missing minutes, are you suggesting there was NO way he could manipulate anything in that time?

My comparision of Lance and Hoy is to do with their winners attitude and manners, as for Lance off the bike how many here have met him and found him to be the peanut he's made out to be?? I haven't so can't pass personal comment but lets face it bad news sells faster than good.

On the 30 mins, he was in the shower, unless you are suggesting that he jumped out of the house, went and got a magical fix and back in through a window all within 30 mins. Oh and yes 30 mins is not enough time to mask drugs use from blood and urine samples. To give you an idea, when I used to be tested, we as a squad were told that 0.1cc old urine is all thats needed to show a positive test in 500ml of fresh and that was 5 years ago, testing has become a lot better now and I'd guess its closer to 0.01cc per 500ml now. Yes the tester will watch to see that when he pissed in to the pots that it was coming out of the eye and not a tube hidden anywhere close by, and I mean they can see the urine flow out of the end of you, within 12", its a little un-nerving at first but you get used to it after the first 12 tests.

 

[mondobongo]

Does this really affect you? are you being excluded from doing something because he has been allowed to race? taken your place maybe??

If not what is your prob? you are just sitting there moaning about something you don't know all the facts about, giving your personal views and making them out to be something more important than they are, for gods sake get a life as until things like this actually affect you in person you are nothing more than a moaning old nanny with nothing better to do than have a gripe!

There was I thinking we were on the racing section of a Cycling Forum!

Its not about whether the OP is directly affected the point was here we have the UCI changing the rules once again for lance bloody armstrong.

 

[mangaman]

With regard to his missing minutes, are you suggesting there was NO way he could manipulate anything in that time?

Absolutely agree - it's the easiest way in the world to bring down your haematocrit

Drink (or even infuse) litres of water and your haematocrit goes down almost immediately. Then you'd piss most of it out and your haematocrit would gradually rise again.

30 mins would be about in the right window to lower your haematocrit before your kidneys peed it all out I'd guess

PS disclaimer - I'm not accusing Lance of anything - just being hypothetical

PPS - I do work as a doctor and see dehydrated sick people come in every day - give them lots of IV fluids and their haematocrits drop sharply. It's one of the pitfalls of trauma patients. You think they haven't lost blood as their haematocrit is OK but once they are rehydrated their haemoglobin levels fall

 

[andrew_s]

On the 30 mins, he was in the shower, unless you are suggesting that he jumped out of the house, went and got a magical fix and back in through a window all within 30 mins. Oh and yes 30 mins is not enough time to mask drugs use from blood and urine samples. To give you an idea, when I used to be tested, we as a squad were told that 0.1cc old urine is all thats needed to show a positive test in 500ml of fresh and that was 5 years ago, testing has become a lot better now and I'd guess its closer to 0.01cc per 500ml now. Yes the tester will watch to see that when he pissed in to the pots that it was coming out of the eye and not a tube hidden anywhere close by, and I mean they can see the urine flow out of the end of you, within 12", its a little un-nerving at first but you get used to it after the first 12 tests.

30 minutes is long enough to put on a whizzinator and warm up the clean pee.

 

[rich p]

30 minutes is long enough to put on a whizzinator and warm up the clean pee.

Bloody hell, I had no idea these existed!

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Texas isn't mentioned. The smoking gun - we've nailed him!

Dick Pound thought it was long enough to affect the results of a test.

 

[Noodley]

...but lets face it bad news sells faster than good.

Unless it's Chris Hoy. Obviously. Which kind of makes an arse of your argument.

 

[girofan]

......you are just sitting there moaning about something you don't know all the facts about, giving your personal views and making them out to be something more important than they are, for gods sake get a life as until things like this actually affect you in person you are nothing more than a moaning old nanny with nothing better to do than have a gripe!

Have you never heard the phrase "Nanny knows best?"