deptfordmarmoset
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I didn't put any money into the defence fund but I'd be far happier to put money into the prosecution fund.
UCI and Paul Kimmage
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fozy tornip
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Would that there were some sort of badge or coloured silicon bracelet thingummy imprinted with a catchy slogan like, say, 'Rough Ride' or 'Paniagua' that you could buy and wear to show your support of Paul Kimmage and clean cycling.....
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ChrisBailey
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I would contribute to the defense fund (as I did) and trust in PK, the size of the fund is one of the major drivers here.
I am also confident that if he needs to use that existing defense fund to support his new campaign he will seek approval from existing donors.
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Kimmage writes about his motivation for the legal fights in the Irish Independent
An interesting read and full of Kimmage's best Sturm und Drang.
Just to clarify my understanding, is Kimmage's counter-case against Pat 'n Hein based on their "liars, cowards and scumbags" quote and similar utterances? Out of this three tags, I imagine only the first could be the subject of court action as the other two might be insulting, but they're not really provable or disprovable in a legal sense. Where I start to get hazy is what exactly Pat 'n Hein were referring to when they called PK a 'liar'? If they were addressing PK's original accusations against Lance, then PK has been shown to be essentially telling the truth, so game on - see you in 'tribunal'. If they're answering the charges of corruption then I think PK is on much shakier ground. Much as many people, me included, believe that the UCI are up to their necks, there's no smoking gun been found yet
I would beg to differ based on FL ruling in a Swiss Court! Whilst we can all be astounded that a Judge agreed to record it happened so we shall hope to see Part 2 coming with more farce to amuse us with.
OK - went away and did a bit of reading. It seems Kimmage's deposition is 28 pages long, although how much of that is legalise fluff I don't know. If the summaries in the press are to be trusted, PK is after Pat 'n Hein for "slander/defamation, denigration and strong suspicions of fraud".
Personally, I think PK has shot his load too soon. He's got as good a case as any for "Slander, defamation and denigration", but that's just tit-for-tat. Even if he wins on those terms, it doesn't put Pat 'n Hein in a position where they're forced to resign. The "suspicions of fraud" is interesting and I'd love to see the full wording on that. Can you really accuse someone of being 'suspected' of something? Either the case is that Pat 'n Hein have committed fraud or that they haven't. I would have thought that the wording as it's been reported is meaningless in legal terms. My guess is that it's been shoehorned in to get the headlines - "McQuaid! Verbruggen! Court! Fraud!" for what amounts to a legal case based on name-calling.
Beyond the sweet taste of revenge I can only think that PK is hoping a court case will flush out conclusive evidence of fraud, but it's a high-stakes gamble. If the fraud tag doesn't stick, Pat 'n Hein could use it in a similar manner to Armstrong's "most tested athlete" defence, but in this case it'd be "most sued president".
Personally, I think PK has shot his load too soon. He's got as good a case as any for "Slander, defamation and denigration", but that's just tit-for-tat. Even if he wins on those terms, it doesn't put Pat 'n Hein in a position where they're forced to resign. The "suspicions of fraud" is interesting and I'd love to see the full wording on that. Can you really accuse someone of being 'suspected' of something? Either the case is that Pat 'n Hein have committed fraud or that they haven't. I would have thought that the wording as it's been reported is meaningless in legal terms. My guess is that it's been shoehorned in to get the headlines - "McQuaid! Verbruggen! Court! Fraud!" for what amounts to a legal case based on name-calling.
Beyond the sweet taste of revenge I can only think that PK is hoping a court case will flush out conclusive evidence of fraud, but it's a high-stakes gamble. If the fraud tag doesn't stick, Pat 'n Hein could use it in a similar manner to Armstrong's "most tested athlete" defence, but in this case it'd be "most sued president".
oldroadman
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It seems to me that putting Pat and Hein in the same group is a mistake - I think if Hein went then the sport would be better for it. If Pat went then it would leave a gap at the top of UCI, and that's likely to be filled by someone from eastern europe. Which is where any chance of transparency could well end. It's just a case of being careful what you wish for, frying pans and fires, and all that?
It's certainly true that change won't necessarily be change for the better. Probably the biggest mistake that PQ has made is not putting enough distance between himself and Verbruggen.
Yes I've read that, but it doesn't address whether people might rather their money be used for a fraud action than just a defamation one.
